Anonymous Sources (and the Missing Man)
Jason Cherniak had a scoop this afternoon. Jamie Carroll would not only be staying in the Liberal Party, he would be keeping his job as National Director. Of course we know that not only was Jamie Carroll chucked out by the Management Committee, Jamie Carroll is reported to be threatening to sue the Liberal Party for defamation unless he's paid 18 months salary.
Well, Jason deleted his scoop by erasing the post called "Anonymous Sources". But we have a glimpse of it caught by Google.
From Google:
Anonymous Sources
4 hours ago by Jason Cherniak
I'm hearing that Jamie Carroll will not be leaving his post as National Director. If that turns out to be true...
Cherniak on Politics - http://jasoncherniak.blogspot.com/
So Jason Cherniak, plugged in as he is, thought Jamie Carroll would not be leaving his post as National Director as late as three o'clock this afternoon.
We don't know what Jason Cherniak, candidate for the Central Region President for the LPC(O), thought about this scoop, because Jason has removed the post from his blog.
But even this little tidbit is interesting. Jason Cherniak is tight with Liberal Party leader Stephane Dion. If Jason was so far off base, I have to wonder if even Stephane Dion knew what was really going on. Maybe they were both clueless. We know that Stephane Dion and the Management Committee were at loggerheads over the issue of Jamie Carroll:
Senior members of the party's management committee demanded Thursday that Dion fire Liberal Party national director Jamie Carroll over remarks he is purported to have made about hiring more bilingual Quebecers for Dion's entourage.
Dion has rejected the calls for his national director's resignation, saying he doesn't believe Carroll made the comments that are being attributed to him.
Apparently Jamie Carroll confronted the Management Committee today with Stephane Dion's public support and demanded a vote of confidence. The committee ignored Stephane Dion's opinion on the matter, and did not give express confidence in Jamie Carroll:
Jamie Carroll, attacked by the Quebec wing of the party for remarks he made at a Liberal management-committee meeting a couple of weeks ago, is said to have provoked the confrontation that led to his pending departure.
Carroll reportedly demanded a full-fledged endorsement of his position from the management committee – something not all members were willing to offer. In effect, that refusal could also be seen as continuing defiance of Dion, a sign that Carroll's departure may not solve all the Liberal leader's internal problems, especially in Quebec.
So while Stephane Dion and his supporters thought they had the Jamie Carroll issue under control (and Jason Cherniak was reporting only 4 hours ago that Carroll would be keeping his job), the rest of the Liberal Party had taken control of the situation and were making decisions without much concern about Stephane Dion's "leadership".
I wonder what Jason Cherniak thought the implications were if the fairy tale he had been told about Carroll keeping his job was true. Since Jason has seen fit to delete the post, we might never know.
Perhaps it is his run for Central Region President that is prompting him to sanitize his blog.
And I have to wonder where he was hearing this nonsense that Jamie Carroll would be allowed to keep his job. From deluded Dion supporters? Or maybe an opponent of Jason's wanted to see Jason embarrass himself and so fed him this story?
Jason had better be careful. As a prominent Stephane Dion supporter, he might be targetted by enemies of Dion. I wonder if Michael Ignatieff supporters in the Central Region have decided that Jason Cherniak's decision to support Stephane Dion, and to continue to support Stephane Dion with what sometimes seems to be blind faith, can be described as an example of poor political judgment that can be used against Jason as he continues his march up the ranks of the Liberal Party.
Well, anonymous sources are tricky things.
Update: The Missing Man
There's a lot of crap going around right now in the media. All I can say is that Liberals are smart. We will pull together and we will survive.
Bryon Wilfert was right that we aren't ready for an election right now and I think today's events are proof of that. However, when we are ready the Canadian people will have a chance to pass their judgement.
I have no fear of that day.
Is it just me, or is Stephane Dion conspicuous by his absense? We can pull together behind Stephane Dion. A chance to pass their judgement on the real Stephane Dion. I have no fear of that day nor does Stephane Dion.
You can't read too much into most things, and especially into things that are not there. But one thing I watch for in people's writing is those subtle shifts in perception. And Jason Cherniak has just painted a picture of a rejuvenated, rebounding, and united Liberal Party.
And Stephane Dion didn't appear in the picture, or at least not in a noteworthy way.
Compare that with this piece about a successful Liberal Party sometime in the near future with Stephane Dion as prime minister posted just last Wednesday.
Interesting.
I wonder how many other Liberals arre starting to see beyond Stephane Dion. And for every one of those Liberals merely looking beyond, how many are focused on a Liberal party without Stephane Dion? Are those Liberals just a step away from starting to actively work for a Liberal Party without Stephane Dion?
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Posted by: Jason Cherniak at October 2, 2007 09:41 PM
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Steve... "that's not fair".
See, you just have to try see the world...
through Cherniak coloured glasses.
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Posted by: neo at October 2, 2007 09:50 PM
Its not Iggy or his followers that is behind this coup.
Its based in Montreal and its those that have connections to the establishment.
Word of advise to honest libs. Take back control of your party from the "Power" brokers in Westmount and Rosedale.
Posted by: gimbol at October 2, 2007 09:59 PM
Well, you have to give Cherniak credit for showing up and having a laugh at himself.
Posted by: Concerned Torontonian at October 2, 2007 10:02 PM
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"c.t. said... you have to give Cherniak credit for showing up"
you really think so?
check out cherniak's latest delusion... i think he needs to double up his lithium...
United we stand
"There's a lot of crap going around right now in the media. All I can say is that Liberals are smart. We will pull together and we will survive."
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Posted by: neo at October 2, 2007 10:20 PM
United we stand
"There's a lot of crap going around right now in the media. All I can say is that Liberals are smart. We will pull together and we will survive."
Why do I suddenly have this vision of the band playing "the band played on" on the deck of the Titanic.
BTW
Did you hear how Chretien won't be making a speaking engagement due to sickness? If I saw my party imploding like this I'd be pretty ill too.
Posted by: gimbol at October 2, 2007 10:30 PM
Whatever Cherniak says, I assume the opposite.
Posted by: Jason Bo Green at October 2, 2007 10:59 PM
From Cherniak on Politics:
United we stand
"There's a lot of crap going around right now in the media. All I can say is that Liberals are smart. We will pull together and we will survive."
Interesting to note, that he no longer believes the Dion Liberals can "win" .. only "survive" .. which is a bit of a comedown.
Also it's correct to say that "Liberals are smarting" ..!!!
As for "United we stand."... it's more like "Disunited we are ..!!"
Steve: Thank you for providing all Canadians with your "open" forum .. as opposed to those who have "closed" forums.
Posted by: Observer at October 2, 2007 11:04 PM
Rare for Chretien to be sick, sick. Don't recall him ever missing ANYTHING due to illness. Could be old age is creeping up and his feet are getting cold due to poor circulation caused by stress. Wouldn't anyone in the Liberal hierarchy be stressed right now?
Quebec is where it's at for Liberals, always their turf, now the conservatives and NDP are stealing their thunder. Chretien can take some blame for dumping Adscam on them, he and Martin tossed the money in to enable it with no request for paper trails, thus they KNOW NOTHING.
They should all feel very sick indeed.
Posted by: Libby at October 3, 2007 07:50 AM
Meanwhile,
Jane Taber:
"Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion is reorganizing his office and election team, bringing back two former top Chrétien strategists"
and
Susan Delacourt:
"Dion Shaking Up Team: Liberal leader moves to put lid on internal dissent"
try to spin this as Dion taking charge. Hilarious.
Posted by: muttsrus at October 3, 2007 07:53 AM
How is it "shaking up" the team to bring back the people that worked for a PM that was booted out? Man, is Dion ever screwing up. Its been said many times and its never more true than now - Dion is the best thing to happen to the CPC next to Harper.
Posted by: Lycan Stark at October 3, 2007 09:06 AM
Any time Jason quotes "anonymous sources" you know he's repeating what the disembodied voices which taunt him night and day are saying. Jason, have the "voices" told you where to dump all the dead Librano bodies which are appearing regularly?
Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at October 3, 2007 09:29 AM
From Taber's article in the G&M:
"As well, John Rae, a Power Corp. executive who managed the leadership campaign of his brother, Bob Rae, and was the architect of three Chrétien majority government wins, will become a key adviser to the Dion campaign team."
Hmm, I wonder how this will go down with the Iggy supporters.
Posted by: muttsrus at October 3, 2007 09:30 AM
Did anyone notice Don Newman on CBC last night doing Cherniak a favour and helping him with his retraction? I thought that was amusing. :D
Looks like Jason Cherniak is not so in the Liberal loop as he thought he was. Nor, apparently, is his leader Dion. More than ever I look forward to reading Cherniak's blog everyday. I laugh harder the faster his spin gets.
Cherniak says he is not afraid. I say bullshit. Of course he is going to say that; he has no choice.
Posted by: Kai Wolf at October 3, 2007 09:38 AM
Jason posits this gem: "All I can say is that Liberals are smart. We will pull together and we will survive."
Again we see a lock step camp follower confusing Libreano deviousness as being "smart".
Yes Libranos are "smart" and have "survival" instincts...in much the same way a remorseless skulking predator is "smart".
Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at October 3, 2007 09:38 AM
As I said here a couple of days ago, the pollsters must have all gone on vacation. Not a peep from any of them since the disaster in Quebec. If things had gone right for the Liberals in the bye-elections, you know we would have seen polls everywhere.
Posted by: muttsrus at October 3, 2007 09:57 AM
BTW
Did you hear how Chretien won't be making a speaking engagement due to sickness? If I saw my party imploding like this I'd be pretty ill too.
Posted by: gimbol at October 2, 2007 10:30 PM
Actually, it's pretty serious. Chretien has gone in for bypass surgury.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/10/03/chretien-surgery.html
Posted by: Reid at October 3, 2007 10:55 AM
Chrétien's bypass surgery? That is just a rumour. He has no heart. How can he have surgery on it?
Posted by: Louise at October 3, 2007 11:07 AM
OK, settle down folks. Jean Chretien is undergoing surgery. A team of doctors, nurses, and specialists are entrusted with the deadly serious task of saving a man's life. Let's hope all turns out well for Jean Chretien, and that the medical team does us all proud.
And yes, he has a heart. Just like you and me.
Posted by: Steve Janke at October 3, 2007 11:12 AM
Gimbol - re your first comment - Honest Liberal????
Posted by: Greg at October 3, 2007 02:25 PM
A team of doctors, nurses, and specialists are entrusted with the deadly serious task of saving a man's life....
Yes. Much as I have no respect for JC and what he did to my country, I draw the line well before wishing him personal misfortune. Story in the Globe this morning had him out playing golf with a cardiologist - after JC described his condition, the doctor said "you'd better come in and see me..." which Chretien did the next day.
See - he eliminated waiting lists, didn't he?
Posted by: Deaner at October 4, 2007 03:01 PM
Cherniak may getting funnier and funnier all the time, but at least he is showing a firm grasp of reality. He's given up the idea of the Liberals under Dion actually winning an election, and appears willing to settle for them hanging on to official party status.
And, with respect to Chretien, I wish him a full recovery.
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