One guess is that their Co2 estimates include the GHG emissions from the creation of the fuel (the CO2's from the oilsands).This idea would suggest that the GHG from the oilsands are not the entire problem of the oil companies but rather the consumer,whether that is a nation or as in this case the owner of a bus.

In either case it is up to the poor to save the planet.The wealthy "Save the Planet"RV owner just has to cut a cheque.
The only doubt is how much.

Posted by: David at February 24, 2007 09:41 AM

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Mr. Suzuki gets on my nerves. He's got quite a schtick and he's going to ride his schtick-bus to the end of the trail, no matter what that might entail. Every time I see him pontificating on his cause du jour, I imagine huge amounts of bullshit wafting up into the ozone layer, turning it even browner.

He's got a good thing going for himself, having earned his reputation as on "honest" man during his tenure at the CBC. He's taken that and turned it into a pr bonfire of the vanities. I believe that he's so full of himself that he can't actually see his forest in front of him - trees notwithstanding.

Posted by: Twolane at February 24, 2007 10:01 AM

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ahhh Dr. fruit Fly . . just another skanky enviro-socialist, heavy on the "Do as i say mantra". You know, same as "All pigs are created equal, but some are more equal than others"

Explains why he is best buds with "The Goreacle", one of the biggest users of private jets.

If the fruit fly guy was smart, he'd be buying those credits on the official Euro market, where the price has collapsed and is now < 1 euro.

http://www.euets.com/

Posted by: Fred at February 24, 2007 10:08 AM

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One guess is that their Co2 estimates include the GHG emissions from the creation of the fuel (the CO2's from the oilsands).

I have a problem with that because it dilutes dramatically the incentive to buy fuel efficient vehicles. The CO2 contribution from your engine is miniscule if you have to carry the CO2 contribution of the processing and refinement process too. The idea of being "green" is that you act locally. Your car or bus is your local element in the CO2 chain.

Posted by: Steve Janke at February 24, 2007 10:20 AM

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I read that Bill Clinton made 40 million dollars in speaking fees. I wonder if money is a factor in traveling "save the planet" tours.
Michael Moore got 30,000 dollars per appearance for appearing at universities to promote his movie.

Posted by: ajkrik at February 24, 2007 12:13 PM

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OT, but big:

This is BIG,

Author of the Sun Story goes on Lib blog and says there was no leak!

Proves Ralphie knowingly engaged in a purely fabricated smear. (unlike, you know, the now true allegation that his office leaked).

Here's the statement:

''I wrote the story and there was no leak. It was very apparent from sitting through 19 months of the Air India trial who would be the obvious choices for investigative hearings - all the names came out during the evidence at the trial. After the trial, I wrote my book on Air India, called "Loss of Faith: How the Air India Bombers Got Away With Murder" and reviewed documents related to the one Supreme Court challenge of the investigative hearing provision, launched and lost by Satnam Reyat - the wife of the only man convicted.

I have covered this story since 1985 so there are few mysteries or secrets. I first interviewed Darshan SINgh Saini back in 1988. I have a copy of parts of his police statement that came out during the Air India trial. The reason I wrote the story this week is because I just learned (through Sikh community contacts, not POLICE) that Saini was the father-in-law of Bains. I did not know that until very recently. I called up Saini and Bains and they confirmed it. I thought it was relevant.

So don't always look for a political conspiracy. In this case, there isn't one.

Kim Bolan | 02.23.07 - 2:17 am''

http://pacificgazette.blogspot.com/2007/02/there-was-no-leak.html

Posted by: biff at February 24, 2007 12:31 PM

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I checked out that euets.com site that Fred mentioned above. The spot price for a tonne of carbon credit is 0.85 euros. What is that, about the price of an extra large double-double?

Posted by: Ed Minchau at February 24, 2007 12:35 PM

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i suppose all the people living along the great docs.tour route are breathing much easier knowing that its carbon credit air as opposed to dirty old fossil fuel air.way to go dr. dolittle.hbw

Posted by: harold at February 24, 2007 12:48 PM

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- Dion gets critical bloc of votes that put him over the top, from a group very interested in the Air India investigation (the greatest terroist event in Canadian history)

- once in power Dion does a 180 degree turn on the terrorism bill threatening the enquiry, even at the expense of fracturing his own party,

- a story comes out that a close relative of a sitting Lib MP (and presumably a member of the bloc referred to above) is a material witness in Air India,

- the Libs frantically try to silence Harper when he brings the above up,

- Goodale then makes up a false allegation of a "leak", smearing the PM, our intelligence, and the RCMP in the process,

- and that false allegation has now been made known, which allegation suggests the Liberals are panicked and frantically trying to cover on this issue.

Nope, no story there. Now, about that Pearson plaque that was covered up, now THAT'S a story!

Posted by: chuck at February 24, 2007 01:07 PM

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What has disturbed me about Suzuki for years is how much attention he is given in the elementary school science programs, how his every word is taken to be gospel, rather than teaching the kids to think critically, which is what science is all about.

I wish that someone would do a study of the recent elementary science programs around the country, especially on the environmental angle.

Bill Nye, "the science guy" is sometimes the only science some kids will get....a video of his so-called "experiments."

What are kids being taught is a serious question that parents should be interested in finding out.

Posted by: anonymous at February 24, 2007 01:47 PM

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Steve..
I don't think I support the idea either. It was just a theory on the way they calculated the ghg emissions.I would however,say that the emissions created from the production of gas (oilsand CO2's)would be added to the cost of the barrel of gas at the pump.The credits would be then sorted out by this tax.
Look, why should we as Canadians, or as the Libs. prefer Albertans,be stuck with the cost of ghg emissions when we are not using the fuel.This cost should be transferred to the buyer.If they don't buy it then there are no emissions.
Clearly there should be incentives to use new technologies in the oilsands but ultimately the buyer should pay.

Posted by: David at February 24, 2007 03:02 PM

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"For five bucks you can be an environmentel hero just like David Suzuki."

And blogging is for free. So for nothing you can wear smelly PJ's like Janke, eat stale Dorito's and generally prove you're a right wing douche bag by stoning people who actually do something. Great life you got there, Steve.

Posted by: Don at February 24, 2007 05:48 PM

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"For five bucks you can be an environmentel hero just like David Suzuki."

And blogging is for free. So for nothing you can wear smelly PJ's like Janke, eat stale Dorito's and generally prove you're a right wing douche bag by stoning people who actually do something. Great life you got there, Steve.

Posted by: Don at February 24, 2007 05:48 PM

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Don...Do the environment a favour and oil your bicycle chain with canola oil.You're not doing anything else to help..

Posted by: David at February 24, 2007 06:24 PM

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Save your $5.00 - you might not get a receipt any longer. Check out this at Proud to be Canadian. If this is the basis of his "cross-country tour" - his charitable status should be revoked immediately!

"Suzuki violating Canada’s laws? Is he an environmentalist religion “war criminal”?

http://www.proudtobecanadian.ca/blog/

Posted by: Don't Want To at February 24, 2007 06:46 PM

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Don, you are the perfect example of why Steve will always get under your skin... you can't take the truth and never will want to face the truth. All Steve has done is point out the simple facts and you decide to call him names and try and perpetuate the mainstream version of a blogger. Amazingly enough Steve has done more journalism in this "piece" then most, if not all, of the MSM. There are some very good reporters out there, but they seem hampered by the same brain cramps that you suffer from.

Here is some more truth for you Don. Dr. Suzuki is a hypocrite, pure and simple. Buying offsets instead of doing something concrete is not the solution. He could have found a better, greener, way to spread his message. How about leasing a Hybrid or two for himself and his entourage. Then again, why does he need an entourage anyway?

Steve, well done, and keep showing the MSM that if they really want to do their job, they can, and ordinary Canadians will appreciate it.

Posted by: Dwayne at February 24, 2007 06:49 PM

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Suspect the story of offsets is just for public consumption as we think Suzuki is too much of a businessman to be taken in by these offset scams but you never know.

http://tinyurl.com/3996pk

When we invest in a high risk enterprise we expect to at least get shares.

Reminds us of buying indulgences. Thought the reformation did away with that.

Posted by: Dubyadubya at February 24, 2007 07:19 PM

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Yeah, he could have chose other means of travel, but multiple hybrids would be less efficient than one bus I think. Also, air travel is vastly more damaging.

The offsets thing is not perfect but it it something until our society can improve transportation emissions on a larger scale. At the very least, it is raising awareness.

So what is your point and what do you propose as an alternative? It's easy to say that he's a hypocrite when you are starting from the do nothing approach. If you think he is alarmist, then you must be a climate change denier and in the minority of expert opinion on the climate of the planet.

Posted by: um ... okay at February 24, 2007 07:53 PM

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No-one has EVER said that this guy had any REAL brainpower, correct?

Posted by: Feldwebel Wolfenstool at February 24, 2007 08:39 PM

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Had about enough coverage of the Fruit Fly Doc Suzkooky and the Fruit Bat
numb skull Gore with his gory details of the ever closer apocalypse .
Enough of the over-the-top preaching of pure hogwash and less than half
truths , especially to the children with permission of the Lefty 'educators'.
It's time parents get involved before it goes any further.

Posted by: Liz J at February 24, 2007 09:07 PM

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With all due respect to Dr. Suzuki and his “carbon neutral” activity, that is not what he and his Kyoto message is about. Canada’s commitment to Kyoto requires a 30% reduction in green-house gas emissions from 1990 levels.

Is Suzuki suggesting that it is acceptable for him to pursue carbon “neutral” activities, but the rest of us will be required to meet significant carbon “reduction” targets, including additional targets that cover his “neutral” stand as part of the reduction?

How very noble of him!

Posted by: john at February 24, 2007 09:20 PM

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The offsets thing is not perfect but it it something until our society can improve transportation emissions on a larger scale.

Why? There is no credible evidence that our emissions are doing anyone harm - and the warmth, transportation and manufacturing that we get from burning fuel is doing us a lot of good. Plus, the CO2 we produce enhances the entire world's agriculture and forestry industries. And if you start making fuel, automobiles and machinery more expensive ("for the children") it could easily backfire and cause people to revert to using cheaper, dirtier fuels like wood, low grade coal, etc. and buy older and dirtier cars, trucks, factory machinery, etc.

It's easy to say that "our society" should do this or that, but unless you can quantify the actual harm that is being done, with certainty, then it's probably better to keep your trap shut and keep your hands off other people's money and jobs.

Posted by: at February 24, 2007 09:29 PM

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"Also, air travel is vastly more damaging."

Thats only IF you increase it. Kooky Suzuki should be traveling on a scheduled airline. No extra fule, unlike Gore. Even Prince Charlie understood that.

Suzuki is like the Hells Angels. Collect teddie bears for kids at Christmas to ofset the crimes you do all year long.

Horny Toad

Posted by: Horny Toad at February 25, 2007 01:20 AM

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Sure you can theoretically buy a $20 carbon credit to reduce your footprint, but on a national basis we are talking megatonnes and megabucks. Minister Dion's Project Green plan had an initial $5 billion worth of Kyoto Carbon Credits, and it is now estimated that the total cost would be somewhere around $20 billion at current carbon market prices. God only knows what the price would be is Canada suddenly came on the carbon trading market and was looking for billions of $$$$ worth of credits.

My question of Suzuki would be twofold .. Does he advocate that Canada buy billions of $$$$ worth of Kyoto Carbon Credits to meet it's targets by 2012 and beyond, and, does he trust the Dion Liberals to be the stewards of the environment considering how badly behind Canada is towards meeting it's Kyoto targets on time, which is all the fault of the Liberals ??

It seems to me that the Dion Liberals are Kyoto criminals for having neglected to reduce Canada's GHGs in a timely manner, and Suzuki should have no faith in them to actually reduce GHGs in Canada itself. If the Dion solution is to only offset our GHGs with carbon credits surely Suzuki cannot accept that either.

Posted by: Observer at February 25, 2007 03:20 AM

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Dr. Fruit Fly has been an annoying buzz in the collective public's ear for over a decade, but we by and large learned to ignore his hysterical rantings over every human activity on the planet from eating to farting causing a global catastrophe. Boiled down to its essence, Dr. Fruit Fly's theory is that simple human existance is an environmental threat...that type of species-quisling zealotry cannot be rationalized or reasoned with.

But this latest rash of insanity with Kyoto and his political schilling has tanked his credibility completely. When he is stood in the cold hard light of public scrutiny we see a wealthy fear monger who has been in bed with every low life political and corporate cartel there is...and gotten stinking rich evangelizing against the very people who pay his bills. Hypocrite, huckster, political hack, Junk scientist...that's the legacy he's courting.

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at February 25, 2007 09:48 AM

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"Kyoto" Scam Of The Century
I'm a global warming denier, and apparently so are the Countries of China and India.

China is building more than 550 new coal-fired energy plants over the next 5 years.
China is saying...global warming is a myth...

India is building more than 220 new coal-fired energy plants over the next 5 years.
India is saying...global warming is a myth...

The planet has been alot warmer in the past without any influence from man,
and China and India know it.
Why do you think Greenland is called Greenland?
Why, are the growing glaciers of Antartica not being reported?
If it warms just a little more, will grapes grow in England like they did during Roman times?
The only real truth about climate change is just that (climate does change).

...on the other side of the coin...

Dalton Mcguinty wants to close 4 coal-fired energy plants here in Ontario because we are destroying the planet!

David Susuki wants to shut down Alberta's oil-sands projects because we are destroying the planet!

Al Gore wants to shut down all aspects of our western democratic society, no-more plains, trains or cars...no-more factories...no-more electricity because we are destroying the planet!

Stephane Dion wants to use Kyoto regulations to make Canada pay for all the new
coal-fired power plants in China, India, Russia..
because we have already destroyed the planet!

Am I the only one to see the hypocracy comming from the socialists.
Do these people have an agenda or what?
Look at those numbers from China,India and tell me again
who and or what is destroying the planet?

When the weatherman can't tell me (consistently),
what the weather will be like..say..a week from next thursday.
One has to wonder, just what Dion,Gore,Susuki and Mcshiffty have been smoking!

Ps...there are links to everything I've said, I just don't have the time right now,
remember...(to quote Kate@SDA) Google is your friend!

Posted by: William at February 25, 2007 10:12 AM

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Hey Willy: Guess what corporation is contracting the majority of those coal-fired Chinese power plants?...and who is their point man in China? And whose steam ship line is contracted to haul the power generating equipment into China? And who is directing Canadian Kyoto carbon credit $$ to China? And who did they all work for at one time (and still do)? And who exempted China from Kyoto regulation? An who is also China's official broker of carbon credits and western capital investment? What federal party are they all connected to?

For our Liberal lurkers: No it was not Haliburton and the Bushes amd GOP

Like Kate sez..Google is your friend. Google:

Power Pacific Corporation china
Side winder Report Chretien strong
asian triads and sidewinder
Maurice Strong China
Paul Demarais CITC

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at February 25, 2007 12:16 PM

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"So what is your point and what do you propose as an alternative?"

How about this: Suzuki could blog and reach (potentially) every person who has internet access, without adding a single gram of CO2 to the atmosphere.

Posted by: Ed Minchau at February 25, 2007 01:12 PM

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HEY !! Lay off slagging Dr. Fruit Fly. It's Oscar night and we should be screaming for The Goreacle to win for his big lie mockumentary. Just proves how gullible so many people are to slick propaganda . . . but the truth is out there:

Inconvenient Truths
Novel science fiction on global warming.

By Patrick J. Michaels

This Sunday, Al Gore will probably win an Academy Award for his global-warming documentary An Inconvenient Truth, a riveting work of science fiction.

The main point of the movie is that, unless we do something very serious, very soon about carbon dioxide emissions, much of Greenland’s 630,000 cubic miles of ice is going to fall into the ocean, raising sea levels over twenty feet by the year 2100.

Where’s the scientific support for this claim? Certainly not in the recent Policymaker’s Summary from the United Nations’ much anticipated compendium on climate change. Under the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s medium-range emission scenario for greenhouse gases, a rise in sea level of between 8 and 17 inches is predicted by 2100. Gore’s film exaggerates the rise by about 2,000 percent.

Even 17 inches is likely to be high, because it assumes that the concentration of methane, an important greenhouse gas, is growing rapidly. Atmospheric methane concentration hasn’t changed appreciably for seven years, and Nobel Laureate Sherwood Rowland recently pronounced the IPCC’s methane emissions scenarios as “quite unlikely.”

Nonetheless, the top end of the U.N.’s new projection is about 30-percent lower than it was in its last report in 2001. “The projections include a contribution due to increased ice flow from Greenland and Antarctica for the rates observed since 1993,” according to the IPCC, “but these flow rates could increase or decrease in the future.”

According to satellite data published in Science in November 2005, Greenland was losing about 25 cubic miles of ice per year. Dividing that by 630,000 yields the annual percentage of ice loss, which, when multiplied by 100, shows that Greenland was shedding ice at 0.4 percent per century.

“Was” is the operative word. In early February, Science published another paper showing that the recent acceleration of Greenland’s ice loss from its huge glaciers has suddenly reversed.

Nowhere in the traditionally refereed scientific literature do we find any support for Gore’s hypothesis. Instead, there’s an unrefereed editorial by NASA climate firebrand James E. Hansen, in the journal Climate Change — edited by Steven Schneider, of Stanford University, who said in 1989 that scientists had to choose “the right balance between being effective and honest” about global warming — and a paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that was only reviewed by one person, chosen by the author, again Dr. Hansen.

These are the sources for the notion that we have only ten years to “do” something immediately to prevent an institutionalized tsunami. And given that Gore only conceived of his movie about two years ago, the real clock must be down to eight years!

It would be nice if my colleagues would actually level with politicians about various “solutions” for climate change. The Kyoto Protocol, if fulfilled by every signatory, would reduce global warming by 0.07 degrees Celsius per half-century. That’s too small to measure, because the earth’s temperature varies by more than that from year to year.

The Bingaman-Domenici bill in the Senate does less than Kyoto — i.e., less than nothing — for decades, before mandating larger cuts, which themselves will have only a minor effect out past somewhere around 2075. (Imagine, as a thought experiment, if the Senate of 1925 were to dictate our energy policy for today).

Mendacity on global warming is bipartisan. President Bush proposes that we replace 20 percent of our current gasoline consumption with ethanol over the next decade. But it’s well-known that even if we turned every kernel of American corn into ethanol, it would displace only 12 percent of our annual gasoline consumption. The effect on global warming, like Kyoto, would be too small to measure, though the U.S. would become the first nation in history to burn up its food supply to please a political mob.

And even if we figured out how to process cellulose into ethanol efficiently, only one-third of our greenhouse gas emissions come from transportation. Even the Pollyannish 20-percent displacement of gasoline would only reduce our total emissions by 7-percent below present levels — resulting in emissions about 20-percent higher than Kyoto allows.

And there’s other legislation out there, mandating, variously, emissions reductions of 50, 66, and 80 percent by 2050. How do we get there if we can’t even do Kyoto?

When it comes to global warming, apparently the truth is inconvenient. And it’s not just Gore’s movie that’s fiction. It’s the rhetoric of the Congress and the chief executive, too.

— Patrick J. Michaels is senior fellow in environmental studies at the Cato Institute and author of Meltdown: The Predictable Distortion of Global Warming by Scientists, Politicians, and the Media.

Posted by: Fred at February 25, 2007 01:33 PM

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That's just mean, intolerant and antireligious. Trying to confuse the matter with points of science such as open calculations, verifiable amounts of money and emissions. Who do you think you are, bigot? Why can't you respect people's right to worship as they see fit?

Posted by: civitatensis at February 25, 2007 04:37 PM

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Fred, do you have a link for that editorial?

Posted by: Ed Minchau at February 26, 2007 04:47 AM

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The ultimate for me though was standing in the cold waiting for my bus to come in downtown Calgary while Mr. Suzuki's "rock tour bus" meandered through the downtown traffic. There's got to be some sort of sweet irony in that!

I think this also highlights one of my other concerns with the whole Kyoto/climate change political situation. Even if we were to grant him the label of carbon neutral, what about all the other nasties he is emitting that contribute to smog and real air pollution. It's like all the Kyoto crowd can see now is CO2.

Posted by: Denis at February 26, 2007 10:55 AM

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John, you asked: "Is Suzuki suggesting that it is acceptable for him to pursue carbon “neutral” activities, but the rest of us will be required to meet significant carbon “reduction” targets, including additional targets that cover his “neutral” stand as part of the reduction?"

Actually, carbon neutral is better than a 30% reduction of 1990 levels, the terminology just makes things confusing. For example, if I generated a net of 1 tonne of CO2 in 1990 a 30% reduction would be .7 tonnes. If I was able to be truly carbon neutral, I would generate a net of 0 tonnes of CO2.

Posted by: Denis at February 26, 2007 11:03 AM

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Three days ago I was a Conservative. Google Steve Tsuida and you'll probably find some of my old posts in Google's wayback machine. Well, I've done some thinking - I know that' not in vogue these days - on the issue and whether you like Suzuki or Gore or not, the point is, we are fouling up the planet and using the old argument that without an economy we can't care for the environment argument to excuse our blind eye.

Well. No environment, no economy.

The conservatism I used to believe in valued hard work, personal sacrifice, and, like the name suggests, conserving. By our practices in Canada we're liberal. We take take take, indulge indulge indulge, slam slam slam. We're howling monkeys decrying evolution. Thieves decrying immorality. Destroyers of the earth decrying godlessness. If Suzuki is a hypocrite -- and he may be -- then what are we? What are we conserving? What are we sacrificing? Why aren't we working harder? Why are we so lazy and fat and indulgent and arrogant?

It's why I'm ditching my politics in favor of creation. I'm going to get involved with the fledgling Creation Care movement inside the nonpolitical evangelical movement.

FWIW I live in Oakridge Calgary, and Stephen Harper is my MP. I'll be putting a reasonable amount of personal time & energy into unelecting him.

What I love is that I could just as easily have written this in Mandarin. Nothing I just said will make any sense to most of you. Just another lunatic talking out of his ass about throttling back the money machine and letting the Chinese and the Indians get ahead of us while we play eco-hippy and accomplish nothing.

Posted by: Steve Tsuida at February 26, 2007 11:40 AM

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Um...Steve Tsuida,

Let me be the first to wish you luck on your new venture. But if you're "ditching your politics" and getting involved with a "nonpolitical evangelical movement" won't it be somewhat of a conflict of interest for you to try to "unelect" Mr. Harper ?
Oh, never mind. I'm sure I'm just not smart enough to understand.

Posted by: up north at February 26, 2007 12:19 PM

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Steve Tsuida , I think the biggest issue I see now is societal, not nessesarily political.

I am a conservative, but I do care about environmental concerns and try to do what I can when I can. However the "greening" that many argue is needed now must come from the people - I don't believe it is something that can be driven effectively by the government.

No matter what the government does, until the people start working themselves to decrease their consumption there will be little real progress - at best I think what we'll see is a shift on where resources come from (for example, less Alberta oil, more imported).

I think this is similar in many ways to my (and some other conservatives) view on social welfare issues. Much of it is best left in the hands of the people.

You also said: "FWIW I live in Oakridge Calgary, and Stephen Harper is my MP. I'll be putting a reasonable amount of personal time & energy into unelecting him."

Out of curiosity, who would you have take his place. As near as I can see, no political party in Canada with any electoral prospects has a credible environmental plan.

Posted by: Denis at February 26, 2007 12:28 PM

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Denis is the only one here who's got it right... the problem is societal... not political or environmental.

Suzuki's point has never been that the only solution to fixing the planet is to remove all traces of humanity... his POINT is that our human society as it currenly operates is unsutainable... i.e. we, (particularly those of us lucky enough to live in "first world" consume resources faster than our planets eco-system can replace them... in addition in our constant drive to accumulate wealth and improve our "standard of living" we are in fact diretly threatening the planets ability to regenerate those resourses... and finally that currently there is no credible "plan" or technology that will change the current trends...

his warning is that if these issues aren't addressed at some point the solution will be forced on us probably is some cataclysmic event. (see Mayan civilization al la Jerod Diamond)

In all those points and assertations like it or not Suzuki is EXACTLY 100% CORRECT! the only uncertainly is WHEN... not IF.

Suzuki's support of Kyoto isn't about GHG reduction.. (he like me actually thinks Kyoto is a load of crap... but he does see Kyoto and global warming as a way to inform and hopefully galvanize understanding among the general populous to start doing something about the above issue...

Kyoto is a political document... Politicians, lawyers, lobbiests... (as they will do) took an environmental ideal and warped, corrupted, and mutiliated the idea of climate change into something that serves only 2 purposes... to get them elected, and to make them money. politicians, lawyers, and lobbiests don't really believe in global warming cause there is no politican on the planet who can see anything beyond the next 4 years... (buisnessmen are worse they can't see past the next quarterly report, and the media who can't see past the next news-day) the issue of climate change, society's use of resources etc... is a generation spanning issue. Alberta's oilsands is mere background noise to the real issue..

in summary... Suzuki - he's right... even if I disagree with his method for promoting it... he's still right.

Kyoto - is crap... it's a political document abused by persons with an agenda that has nothing to do with environmental sustainablility and everything to do with making millionaires out of those who understand it well enough to fool the public.

Posted by: Sierra at February 26, 2007 03:11 PM

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Sorry I should add... the Anti- Kyoto crowd isn't all innocent either... there ARE things that the Oil-sands developers could do to make thier operations more efficnent and less poluting... it would cost them about and extra 15% in capital costs and actually reduces thier operating expense... but the accountants in control of those developers are even worse than the Politicans, buisinesmen, and media... they can't see past their economic indicators...

Posted by: Sierra at February 26, 2007 03:16 PM

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Hypothetically if the Suzuki bus travelled for every minute of the 28 day tour at 100 k/hr. they would only have travelled 42,000 miles. That means that they could not stop to talk, sleep, eat or refuel and would still be 28,000 miles short of the necessary distance to meet their estimate. Kyoto math no doubt.

Posted by: Bernie at February 26, 2007 03:59 PM

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Bernie Last time I drove from winnnipeg to connecticut it was a 3 day drive about 30 hours.

The thing is horkin,

http://no-libs.com/?p=1447

and david suzuki is a fascist.
http://www.dustmybroom.com/?p=5826
mp3 file,
: )

Posted by: DrWright at February 26, 2007 04:54 PM

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"How about this: Suzuki could blog and reach (potentially) every person who has
internet access, without adding a single gram of CO2 to the atmosphere."

Um ... yeah, that'll work. BTW he already blogs, but I hate to tell you this ... not everyone reads blogs. Not a real solution. If that is your solution let's keep the pols out of their campaign buses this spring too. Sure. that'll work.

Posted by: at February 26, 2007 11:41 PM

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Even blogging adds CO2.
You need electricity to run that computer you blog from (how many people posting here are using solar or wind electricity to power their computers or charge the batteries for their laptops ?).
Plus, somebody's gotta manufacture the computer -and manufacturing requires electricity too.

Did anyone else happen to catch Dr Suzuki and Stephen Lewis on CBC's "The Current" 2 weeks ago ? They gave this zoologist and this AIDS activist an uninterrupted half hour to cry gloom and doom about something they have no formal training in. There were no dissenting opinions aired. The host didn't even question anything they said.
I did notice that the both of them managed to take a few shots at conservatives (Canada and the US, past and present) for being the root cause of global warming and anything else that ails us. Not that this could possibly have anything to do with grinding political axes.
I'm sure it's just coincidence that Stephen Harper runs his campaign on set priorities -gets elected - stays focused on his priorities and -while not prefect- does well enough on them that the Canadian people aren't howling for his removal - - and now suddenly we have this media/Liberal driven frenzy shoving a whole new priority down his -and our- throats.

Posted by: up north at February 27, 2007 11:57 AM

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Quote:
"But according to my numbers, I ought to be able to plop down my fifty bucks and be allowed to buy my gas-guzzling CO2-belching Hummer to drive back and forth to the grocery store for the next 5 years, and Suzuki and his friends can just shut the hell up."/Quote

Damn good line!

Suzuki, The Goracle, and all their pinko friends are discovering what we used to teach kids (like poor Gillian Wiley). Telling lies will only end up trapping you in a web of deceit. It's nice to see Dion and company repeating the BS, for it makes it easier to predict a CP majority when Harper finally puts this Parliament out of its misery and calls an election.

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