Yuck, don't like it. Too busy, too cluttered, way too dark. It just isn't very appealing. The default font size is too big. The previous rendition was much more to my liking in all respects. My only advice is "go back".

Alan

Posted by: Alan at February 9, 2007 04:52 PM

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I think it will look swell on Safari once the bugs are out. I now see lots of white space where "themes" and "comments " should be. I see some of the text of the posts but it's mostly white.

You might already have this under lowlights but I can't tell 'cause there's a white box after " text runs under the boxes"

Oh and the add comments is off to the right

But I see enough to know where you're going and it looks good.

Posted by: Nbob at February 9, 2007 04:55 PM

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It doesn't look very nice on my machine.

I think the black and white and red colours are too strong as well. Too opposite, they hurt your eyes.

If you toned the balance back a little bit (for example, changing the black to a medium gray), then it would be more attractive and easier to read.

Posted by: Paul Morrison at February 9, 2007 04:55 PM

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I've gotten the comment about the stark contrast from someone else as well. I'll take a look at other combinations of colours.

As for the Safari comment, it's the same as for Opera. The text runs out below the boxes. I'm puzzled by that one.

Posted by: Steve Janke at February 9, 2007 04:57 PM

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Strange - after I posted my comment everything seems to have fallen into place

Posted by: Nbob at February 9, 2007 04:57 PM

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Hmmm, that's weird, Nbob. Not sure why that's the case.

Posted by: Steve Janke at February 9, 2007 04:58 PM

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I can't get any of the buttons at the top bar to work. I am running Firefox 2.0.

Posted by: Shane at February 9, 2007 05:00 PM

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Just went back to the main page and it's funny again.
Clicked on this post and it"s funny again.
I'll see how it looks after this comment

Posted by: Nbob at February 9, 2007 05:01 PM

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Without trying to sound technical, can you get your page to "stretch" to fit the full screen of my new-fangled widescreen monitor? There's enough white space on the right to fill the Skydome.

Keep up the excellent work - your page is always a must-read - especially when you hand it to the Elf King Cherniak.

Posted by: Alan at February 9, 2007 05:02 PM

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The buttons are disabled. Still working on those pages. Don't worry, they're coming soon.

Posted by: Steve Janke at February 9, 2007 05:03 PM

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Okay - now it's really strange
After that last comment things fell into place but I don't see my that comment or the last comment you made Steve. The last I see is my 4:47 quip

Posted by: at February 9, 2007 05:04 PM

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Alan, I'm trying to be sensitive to people with 800x600 and 1024x768 monitors. I won't necessarily promise that they can see everything, but I don't want to make the minimum resolution 1200 horizontal or more.

Posted by: Steve Janke at February 9, 2007 05:04 PM

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Okay - now it's really strange
After that last comment things fell into place but I don't see my that comment or the last comment you made Steve. The last I see is my 4:47 quip

Posted by: Nbob at February 9, 2007 05:04 PM

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Now I see my 4:47 quip and then blanc space , a line, black space, Nbob ( in grey ) , a line , blanc then Alan in grey etc.

I'll check back later to see how you're doing

Posted by: Nbob at February 9, 2007 05:09 PM

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Steve:

This format is very difficult to read. IMNSHO, 4 columns is too many squished in like it is. The main content column should be twice as wide, and a black background is very difficult on the eyes.

Your content is too good to have to work this hard to see and read !!!!

Posted by: Odious Herodias at February 9, 2007 05:40 PM

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Yeah, the colours aren't terribly appealing. That being said, it's still an improvement!

Posted by: Frank Cybulski at February 9, 2007 05:52 PM

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Thanks Odious. Keep the opinions coming. One option is to widen the real estate, at the risk of annoying people with smaller screens. I can't get rid of Pajamas Media (contractual obligation) and I don't want to lose the Blogging Tories.

Let me think about it some more. First step might be to tone down the contrast. That might make it seem bigger.

Posted by: Steve Janke at February 9, 2007 06:36 PM

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Well, it looks alright. I don't mind the new look, but it doesn't stretch properly for me in IE7, lots of white space at the bottom and edges. I like that your trying to update it, keep it up!

Posted by: overthesea at February 9, 2007 10:33 PM

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No problem with Opera 9.2 Build 8713, the latest, but Opera 8.54 does have the test runout problem. I don't like the white on black as it's too hard on the eyes.

Posted by: Jack at February 9, 2007 10:55 PM

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It is much easier to read black text on a white background than it is the other way around. I had white text on a black background on my blog for the first year, and I got a lot of complaints about readability; no complaints since I switched it to black on white though.

It would be nice if you made the page just a little narrower, too. My monitor is 1024 pixels wide, and I'm having to slide left and right to see everything; the vertical slider bar takes up around 25 or 30 pixels or so on the right hand side of the screen, and thus I am ending up with a horizontal slider bar as well.

I notice that you only have the blogging Tories blogroll on your site now - you might want to consider making the space allotted to that blogroll shorter and putting it below the list of recent comments. That way you could go back to a three-column blog.

Posted by: Ed Minchau at February 9, 2007 11:04 PM

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After all your work, I'm sorry to say this Steve, but it's much more difficult to read now. It so much more "noisy." I liked your result last time, which took several iterations. I had the blog bookmarked, so to me, it was on the "front" page. Maybe a couple more iterations will be needed.

Posted by: riftime81 at February 10, 2007 12:15 AM

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If I can help with proof reading of some of the text that you generate, feel free to give me a shout.
Pat

Posted by: Pat at February 10, 2007 12:26 AM

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An offer to help and no comment. Oh well! I like it. It seems to be easy to get used to, well laid out and overall, I like it.

Pat

Posted by: Pat at February 10, 2007 12:28 AM

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not that crazy about it to tell you the truth, but it might look better if you filled the screen with it, most people use pretty high rez anyway so you should be able to stretch it out a bit without people having to scroll side to side. The white on black is a bit much to IMO, kinda like one of those porn sites (so I've heard)

Posted by: The Hammer or Thor at February 10, 2007 12:40 AM

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I liked the page design you had two years ago. It was easy to read and navigate, and was a little easier on the eyes than this black site.

http://web.archive.org/web/20050923122739/angrygwn.mu.nu/

Posted by: le politico at February 10, 2007 12:47 AM

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Thanks for the input. I've redone the home page. Lightened up the colours, muted the contrast, and set most of the important text to be black-on-off-white.

Posted by: Steve Janke at February 10, 2007 02:33 AM

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Yuck.

Too cluttered - the text is squished into the middle column.
Parallel rather than in-line comments are distracting, and in a very narrow space they are hard to read.
Colours are too dark.

Much as I usually enjoy the content, this presentation is enough to keep me from coming back, Steve.

Posted by: DCardno at February 10, 2007 03:39 AM

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Three separate scrollable areas (that all run-off the bottom of the screen), within a page that scrolls itself (and runs off the bottom of the screen)? I find it difficult to navigate and intrusive. The "old" design of a week ago was much better - if you wanted to tweak it to put the blog on the front, that would be a better design.

Posted by: DCardno at February 10, 2007 03:43 AM

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DCardino, I'm reconsidering the scroll bars. Not sure what else to do other than to let the content run as far as necessary. Have to give it some thought. Pros and cons either way.

Posted by: Steve Janke at February 10, 2007 08:17 AM

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I think I really preferred it the other way; simple and uncluttered. I also haven't been able to find where you stashed one of my favourite tools, the "search" feature that looked at one, all, or some Canadian blogs, depending on which field you filled in. Your blog, your rules, but I'd like to see that one at least come back to the front page.

Posted by: SDC at February 10, 2007 11:11 AM

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Steve, I know I posted once before that the content is more important to me than the site layout, but this format (as of 07-02-10 10:00AM CST)just ain't happening.
If you don't mind me making a suggestion -move the blog list over to where the comments are then widen the space for your articles and put the comments back underneath the article.
Being able to read what other Canadians have to say, coupled with the quality of their posts here is the second great strength of this site (yes, even you Murray !).
With the comments all squished up to one side, we've all literally been "marginalized" (the horror !).

Posted by: up north at February 10, 2007 11:18 AM

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This is a joke right. Four columns across and comments that go on forever. Please go back to what you had before, this is too difficult to keep scrolling the columns down to read everything.

Posted by: Pissdoff at February 10, 2007 01:11 PM

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Steve, simplicity is best.
Check out:
http://www.alistapart.com
for some pointers.

I like your content!

Posted by: Art2Go at February 10, 2007 02:05 PM

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http://www.alistapart.com

Posted by: Art2Go at February 10, 2007 02:08 PM

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I'm starting to like it a little better...

Reading the comments on the left is pretty awkward, I scrolled around for a while before I even noticed they were there. The problem I have with it is that the comments column is too narrow, and the font is too small. Hard on the eyes.

Couldn't you put that pajamas media thing on top of the blogging tories column, and then widen up the comments and the main text columns? I just feel the first two columns don't feel right, too narrow.

(I have difficulty turning computers on and off, so I really have no idea how difficult any of this is to do.)

Also, it would be nice if I could see the top of the frame with your posting while I'm typing in comments. Can't quite do that yet.

Color scheme looks awesome now.

I like the scrolling blogging tories list. I don't know if it's possible to have frames span multiple columns, but if you can, you could squish the blogging tories list down so that the top lines up with the comments, and then span the main text across the two columns.

Keep playing with the design, I like the fact that your site doesn't look like every other bloggers site out there.

Posted by: mecheng at February 10, 2007 05:15 PM

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okay, more comments.

the comments, if you are going to keep them ini this format, should be to the right of the main posting. that's why I couldn't find them, your eyes go straight to the main post, and then they want to move down and to the right, so you can entirely miss them.

it just feels wrong to read your post, and then force your eyes left to see the comments.

Posted by: mecheng at February 10, 2007 05:21 PM

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Brutal. To read this site on a laptop is painful.

First, four columns across is way too squished.

Second, to fully read a post you need to scroll down in THREE different places independently of each other. You need to scroll down the middle post until it runs out of room. Then you need to scroll down the far right "main" bar so that you can get back to the main post bar. Then, if you want to read comments you need to scroll back up on one or possibly both of those so that you can then scroll down with the left bar in the comments section. Ugh. Talk about carpal tunnel inducing wrist action.

Isn't there a word for obsessive tinkering with website layouts for no good reason?

Posted by: bob at February 10, 2007 05:32 PM

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I'm a big fan of your blog, Steve, but much preferred last week's version of AGWN. As many other posters have said, your new version is terribly cluttered and distracting.

I'll stick with whatever you decide, but don't like the comments off to the side, in small print, and squished together.

"Snazzier" isn't necessarily better!

Posted by: 'been around the block at February 10, 2007 09:14 PM

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Steve:
I like the new layout very much. You have made several positive improvements over the past week
Yes. It is definitely different BUT it did not take me long to appreciate the new features.
Browsing your site is a snap and your mascot looks as dapper as always
To conclude I would like to compliment you on your efforts
Wishing you a speedy conclusion to your website changes. You need to get back to blogging ASAP.

BT

Posted by: banjotom at February 11, 2007 12:01 PM

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Yikes. Now it is even worse than the black site. Teal, red and grey are never a good combo.

I'm telling you, the version of your site from 2 years ago was money baby.

Weren't you using that site when your popularity took off? Maybe that should tell you something.

Posted by: le politico at February 11, 2007 12:23 PM

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Re banjotom's comment, "You need to get back to blogging ASAP."

D'accord, Steve!

You've got one of the best blogs for content, but while you've been tweaking the presentation/image, we, your faithful readers, are starving for CONTENT.

As I said earlier, I'll read AGWN whatever it looks like. I'm a quick study ;-), I'll figure out what I need to know in order to read the comments and post my own comments--BUT PLEASE GET BACK TO YOUR INVESTIGATIVE POSTS, PRONTO!

My stomach's rumbling.

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Posted by: 'been around the block at February 11, 2007 03:53 PM

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I'll chime back in and say that I agree with "up north" (10/02/07 @ 11:18am) about moving the blog lists to the left side and comments underneath, with a wider post section. Four columns is too much.

Alan

PS The black text on grey works for me.

PPS The PJM column is much longer than the others. If the PJM length is set, then make the rest match. Dead space on a blog page is... well... dead. ;)

Posted by: Alan at February 11, 2007 09:22 PM

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...hey Steve, what's with the RED?

Not turning Liberal pinko-commie on me now are ya?

;-)

But nice layout.

Posted by: tomax7 at February 11, 2007 11:04 PM

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...Steve some suggestions:

Put the responses, comments under the posting like underneath this add comment box, I almost missed it thinking the far left column was blog links or ads.

Maybe I agree with the first poster...way too busy looking.

Maybe use Navy/dark blue for the title heading...you know as in cold as in GWN type thing.

Red, ick.

Does Pajama media links give you revenue? If not, move the whole thing down under blogging Tories or what not, thereby making the comment area, or your topic wider.

You can however satisfy 800 and 1024 users by forcing the table to be 770 pix and centered.

Posted by: tomax7 at February 11, 2007 11:10 PM

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I really like it. I especially like the blog as centrepiece. The colours are good for my old eyes.

I really appreciate all the work and time you put into our enjoyment. Truly a giving Canadian! Your blog makes the -20 C evenings go by very pleasantly.

R. Moore

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