What do you expect? Dion is a hypocrite, he can't help it.

Posted by: Ontario Lad at January 31, 2007 07:20 PM

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This very much looks like a case of dishing it out but not being able to take it.

Granted Dion is no Oscar Wilde when it comes to bon mots but ....Sheesh - even Harper was joking about indulging in too many good meals at 24 Sussex last spring. So Dion makes a joke about being able to work the excess off when Harper moves back to the opposition digs and y'all freak?

Might I say y'all is looking a little desperate these days

Posted by: Nbob at January 31, 2007 07:27 PM

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Really Nbob? And what does that make the Liberals if it's okay for Liberals to say what was said in those ads, but if the Conservatives show it, suddenly it's not?

You're right about desperation... but you're pointing the finger in the wrong direction my friend.

Posted by: Surecure at January 31, 2007 07:32 PM

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wow, thats not politically correct... in particular when over 1/2 the population of this country is overweight. Where are all the fat rights advocates on that one? maybe we should get rosi on this bahaha

Posted by: Jordan Alcock at January 31, 2007 07:42 PM

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a) The Tory ads are not "personal attacks." They attack Dion for: his record, his party, and his leadership.

b) Ever notice how Liberals, including Dion, will not deal with the substance of those ads? Would be nice for a reporter to do their job and pursue that. Then again, they didn't want to do it in the first place, which is why Tories needed to spend money on ads. So I guess....

Posted by: Dennis (Second Thoughts) at January 31, 2007 08:29 PM

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So the MSM (liberal party) in Canada has no problem with Dion's mangling English whatsoever?

Boy... a lot of people in this country are afflicted with self-hatred.

Posted by: Real Conservative at January 31, 2007 08:34 PM

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Surecure

There aren't many people who say it's not okay to run the ads but lots who will say it's stupid to run the ads.

Frankly, I don't think the Conservatives thought the ads would run. I think they were counting on some free coverage on the news followed by some controversy when the Liberals , or someone tied to the Liberals, gets the ads pulled ( witness all the foreshadowing last week) .

Now if that had happened then this little ploy would have worked because it's target is the " base" first and the public second. Ads pulled ? Why y'all be screaming about censorship and posting those ads on every blog till they echoed across the land. The base would be motivated and angry because the base has been loosing its religion for y'all given income trusts, equalization, Wheat Board, Climate flip-flop and going all puffy on SSM.

But the Liberals were smart enough to give y'all enough rope and not assert any copyright and the other rights holders have only said they're looking into it. So the ads continue to run and y'all be stuck with putting politics on during the Super Bowl.

Posted by: Nbob at January 31, 2007 08:38 PM

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Next grop of ads I predict will be on how Mr Dion isn't being completely honest about what a carbon market is.

Posted by: gimbol at January 31, 2007 08:39 PM

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Next group of ads I predict will be on how Mr Dion isn't being completely honest about what a carbon market is.

Posted by: gimbol at January 31, 2007 08:40 PM

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And Nbob, what does that have to do with the price of tea in India? All I'm pointing out is your two sided approach to all this.

Posted by: Surecure at January 31, 2007 09:37 PM

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Dion shouldn't have said that, but it's not that big a deal -- hardly a "fat joke".

But they way they portray him as this Ultra Environmentalist because of recycling, composting, and using green cleaners? Come on! That would make most of Canada's urban population green, in that case -- meaning we must not really have a big environmental problem.

If that's the best Dion can show for his personal commitment, then I ain't impressed.

Posted by: jason bo green at January 31, 2007 10:29 PM

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Politicians who think they are comedians. I would bet the joke line sounded better in French before it came out of his mouth in English.

Posted by: john at January 31, 2007 10:56 PM

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Can anyone please confirm whether Monsieur Dion was opening the trunk of his gas guzzlin SUV? A vehicle is seen in the last part of the video.

Posted by: definitely maybe at January 31, 2007 11:02 PM

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This is what all the hype's about? Really? I'll admit it's a cheap shot, but this is what shows that Dion should not be the Prime Minister? Was MacDonald not a pork barelling drunk? Was Laurier not two faced? Was Meighen not pretentious? Was King not a "little" weird? Was Clark not awkward? Was Trudeau not an elite intellectual? You people need better news to rant about!

Posted by: Right of Nowhere at January 31, 2007 11:16 PM

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You guys call this a cheap shot? Come on, he mere made an allusion to a slight middle-section weight gain in the Prime Minister.

It's pretty desperate to cry for wolf over this. While you guys are in 24 Sussex, got nothing better to do?

Posted by: Carlos A. Godoy L. at January 31, 2007 11:23 PM

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I think this should be used as proof that Dion's ability as a humourist is about as good as his ability as an environment minister. Give the guy credit for having at least half a brain. All of Dion's attacks on Harper to date targeted Harper's previous disinterest with Kyoto. The joke about Harper was supposed to be a reference to Harper's comment about Dion "enjoying Stornoway" for a good long time. He was trying a tit-for-tat and it flopped big time. Sort of like the Liberals commitment to Kyoto.

Posted by: jgriffin at January 31, 2007 11:44 PM

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It's really not that dirty of a shot. It's just that it comes about a second after Dion says that he won't be indulging in personal attacks because it's not his style - unlike those mean ol' Tories.

It's probably a one-day (or half-day) wonder of a story, but it shows that not even St. Stephan can resist the temptation to stick the blade in (even if it's not a very deep cut), despite the "I'm above all of that" image he's trying to cultivate in response to the Tory ads.

Posted by: Jason Hickman at January 31, 2007 11:52 PM

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People in glass houses should not throw stones - that's all I have to say.

Posted by: hosertohoosier at February 1, 2007 01:24 AM

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Oh shut up. Honestly. 1. it wasn't a joke., 2. what he says is true.

Get a life.

Posted by: James Bowie at February 1, 2007 02:25 AM

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If this is all the left has on our PM, it shows us Mr. Harper is doing something right!

Posted by: Proud Albertan at February 1, 2007 03:41 AM

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He just said that Harper waS overweight.
or more accurately, "overweights"
so it was an observation, rather than a jab or insult.

by the weigh(t) I wrote "overweights" did any of you get offended when I observed how Mr. Dion speaks hanglish?

Posted by: 2busy2 think of a name at February 1, 2007 06:36 AM

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Oh shut up. Honestly. 1. it wasn't a joke., 2. what he says is true.

Kind of like what Iggy & Dryden said to/about Dion during the Lib leadership debate, eh?

Posted by: Jason Hickman at February 1, 2007 08:57 AM

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Notice how the same people who say this is not big deal were the same ones who thought an alleged comment calling Belinda a dog was akin to someone being shot?

You see, only one side is allowed to be outraged at stupidity.

It was a cheap shot. It was a fat joke. His wife was laughing even before he finished it because they've been calling Harper a fatso for a while. It's stylish among Liberals, since they have nothing else on him.

And let's not even get into who the better looking couple is between the ones living at 24 Sussex and the ones living at Stornaway. I wouldn't be laughing too hard if I was Mrs. Dion.

Posted by: Dennis (Second Thoughts) at February 1, 2007 09:58 AM

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CTV is covering this now.

Posted by: Joanne (TB) at February 1, 2007 10:13 AM

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You white-wingers make me laugh. To you, it's OK for your pary to make personal attacks about individuals, yet when you get it dished back at you, you cry like schoolgirls.

Posted by: Flanstein at February 1, 2007 10:25 AM

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Flanstein, what personal attacks are you referring to? Instead of taunting people like a child, why not actually articulate what it is that you're trying to say?

Posted by: Dennis (Second Thoughts) at February 1, 2007 10:31 AM

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Notice how CTV decided to frame the story? The headline wasn't "Dion mocks Harper's weight." The headline was "Tories miffed over Dion's poke..."

You see, Tories offended by the fat joke are the story. The fat joke itself is ok when made by Stéphane "man of integrity" Dion.

MacKay allegedly calling Belinda a dog? Why it's tantamount to murder, you see.

Posted by: Dennis (Second Thoughts) at February 1, 2007 10:37 AM

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This Dion is a disaster, wait for the next faux pas. He has been around for 10 years or so and had not been noticed. He has had all this time to learn the language. If he doesn't have enough interest in Canada to learn English, how can he expect to be the Prime Minister. It would be a disgrace.

Posted by: Missy at February 1, 2007 10:54 AM

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The original post was a comment about Dion being a hypocrite with respect to personal attacks. Every Liberal commenter since has failed to notice what the orignal post was about, and instead wailed about conservatives complaining about the attack. Not surprising since hypocracy is as natural to Liberals as breathing and telling lies.

Posted by: Greg at February 1, 2007 10:56 AM

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"If he doesn't have enough interest in Canada to learn English, how can he expect to be the Prime Minister. It would be a disgrace."

His English is better than Harper's French. Is that a disgrace to you? Of course not - you're a white-wing hypocrite...

Posted by: Flanstein at February 1, 2007 11:07 AM

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Flanstein, why aren't you addressing what people actually write? Dion has been a federal politician for over a decade. Why isn't his English any better? Is he too good to work at it? What?

Posted by: Dennis (Second Thoughts) at February 1, 2007 11:21 AM

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Thanx for the morning chuckles everyone !

The fact is that Dion is insignificant and petty.
A close observation of his demeanour and body language says volumes.

I'm not posting here to attack the poor chappie,just to point out the obvious which he as a public figure has no recourse to wail,"You're being unfair"

The shoe fits Dion ,so we guess you'll just have to wear it.

Posted by: Simon at February 1, 2007 12:10 PM

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"Why isn't his English any better?"

In fact, his vocabulary is excellent, it is occasional breakdowns in syntax and his accent that are hampering him.

"Flanstein, why aren't you addressing what people actually write?"

Why aren't you addressing what I write? Dion's English is better than Harper's French. Why isn't that a disgrace - given that he's the PM?

Posted by: Flanstein at February 1, 2007 12:29 PM

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Pull your head out of the sand Flanstein;
Though French is Canada's second official language: it is only spoken by a minority of Canadians and mostly in one province.
Right or wrong ....like it or not, Canada speaks english first.
The issue is a non sequitur.
A fact that continues to be an issue though is the continual power grab by the Quebec Cabal whose scary secret adgenda is the francophonization an hence complete socialization of the rest of Canada.
Lopsided political representation in this country has gone on for far to long!
This policy would never pass the litmus test for equal opportunity hiring in the federal bureaucracy and you know it.

As for PM Harper's french...Its understandable without a lot of effort.

Posted by: Simon at February 1, 2007 12:53 PM

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"As for PM Harper's french...Its understandable without a lot of effort."

No, it's not. He has the vocabulary of an 11th grader. Why is it that you hypocrites rail about Dion's English accent but think that Harper's grade-school French is fine?

"it is only spoken by a minority of Canadians and mostly in one province."

A hypocrite AND ignorant. Care to go for the trifecta?

Posted by: Flanstein at February 1, 2007 01:11 PM

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Gee Simon, you sure don't know your facts...

French is Canada's other official language, not its second. Also, French was spoken in Canada way before England invaded and shoved English down our throats.

However, you are right, it is spoken by a minority of Canadians and mostly in one province. That is simply thanks to historical circumstances (i.e. illegal banning of the French language in schools and government by WASPs accross Canada in an effort to get rid of the French language and a massive immigration effort in the early 1900s to get as many white Europeans into Canada to drown out the Francophone population).

For your edification, there are French-speaking Canadians ad mare usque ad mare (that's Latin for "from sea to sea" in case you only know English). Thx to Trudeau's Liberals (and what an enlightened era that was), there is official bilingualism accross this great land and we are slowly redressing the wrongs done to us.

As for your statement about there being a "Quebec Cabal whose scary secret adgenda is the francophonization an hence complete socialization of the rest of Canada", you are obviously off your meds if you think such a cabal even exists.

In closing Simon, here is a saying you should heed in the future... It is best to keep one's mouth shut and people will only think you a fool. Don't open it and confirm the fact.

Salut !!

Posted by: Richard at February 1, 2007 01:25 PM

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Flanstein

You live in a world of your own.

Good luck with your reality 101 course!

Posted by: Simon at February 1, 2007 01:28 PM

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That's the best you can do Simon? Richard and I just gave you the spanking of your life and all you could come up with was this weak cliche?

Posted by: Flanstein at February 1, 2007 01:36 PM

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Thanx for the full helping of cliches guys.
My last post went up before Richards downloaded to my screen.
Perhaps you boys need to start your own country seeing as you both appear to feel so wronged in this one.My best wishes to you both!

Posted by: Simon at February 1, 2007 01:59 PM

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"Perhaps you boys need to start your own country seeing as you both appear to feel so wronged in this one."

LOL !!!

My family has been in Canada since the early 18th century and I like it here. Canada just needs a little socialization to correct societal errors of past and present deluded WASPs who think this country belongs exclusively to them, to the detriment of all things non-white, non-male and non-anglo.

P.S. There are flights leaving for England every day. Don't miss yours Simon.

Posted by: Richard at February 1, 2007 02:21 PM

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I really think it would be easier for Dion to slip back to his "Home country" (which I understand he carries a passport). I would be so much easier to send him back so the rest of us could continue to get things accomplished.

Posted by: Missy at February 1, 2007 03:51 PM

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Here we have people who plainly can't speak French claiming to criticize Harper's French. Fine, go ahead and believe it. Every pepsi in Quebec knows you're full of shit, so you're not going to achieve much.

Who remembers that when Chretien did his sobbing meltdown because they'd mocked the way he talked, the CBC followed it up immediately with a clip of Liberals mocking Preston Manning's voice? This is standard procedure from these goons. It's a good sign that they're hurting.

Posted by: ebt at February 1, 2007 05:03 PM

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Dion is a loser and a pathetic candidate for PM.

Posted by: Juno at February 1, 2007 06:53 PM

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At the end of the video I noticed Dion opening the rear hatch of gas a guzzling, carbon spewing, planet killing mini-van. Oh it must be a hybrid then.

Posted by: billonlogan at February 1, 2007 08:40 PM

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Wow Richard, so much hate for a socialist. "Illegal banning of the French language"? What about the English language in parts of Quebec? Your term WASP is also extremely derogatory. So much hate with so much proclaimed wisdom. My family has been here longer than yours - does that mean your catching the flight after Simon? What do you think the Natives in Quebec would say about your arrogance and complaints of being downtrodden in the past?
Harpers French worse than Dion's English? Says who, Flanstein? The Toronto Star? Funny - with the shitkicking the Liberals took in the last election, i think Prime Minister Harper got his message accross very well, wouldn't you agree?

Posted by: Bryan at February 1, 2007 08:41 PM

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What makes dion think Harper will be his successor at Storneway. Harper will be PM and maybe layton will be in Storneway. Or Duceppe, hasn't he been opposition leader once already.
I saw the interview, and if dion hadn't prefaced his stmt- that he would never stoop that low, he was above that sort of thing, and to immediately stoop that low.
I am sure that dion is very happy that Hammond killed any chance of electing the 6 MPs from AB that dion bragged about.
Do all liberals have foot in mouth disease.

Posted by: maryT at February 1, 2007 09:34 PM

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(Wow Richard, so much hate for a socialist. "Illegal banning of the French language)

Man, where does it say that a socialist can't hate? BTW, you REALLY don't know your history. In the early 1900s, WASPs (cause that's what the majority of white English-speaking people were at the time... I can't believe I'm actually having to spell this out for you) banned the teaching of French in most schools outside Quebec.

(What about the English language in parts of Quebec?)

To my knowledge, the teaching of English was never banned in Quebec.

(My family has been here longer than yours)

I actually never said that, I was just stating that since my family has been around for so long it shows how much we love Canada.

(What do you think the Natives in Quebec would say about your arrogance and complaints of being downtrodden in the past?)

That statement just doesn't make any sense. The French were known for treating their Native allies fairly. It isn't until the English took over the fur trade that they started screwing the Natives over for a percentage. Man, what were you doing in history class, picking your nose?

(with the shitkicking the Liberals took in the last election)

LOL, is that why the Harpertron and his right-wing collection of former REFORM party cronies only has a minority government?

And yes, Dion's English is worse than Harper's French, happy now???

Posted by: Richard at February 1, 2007 10:00 PM

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Frankly, I don't think the Conservatives thought the ads would run. I think they were counting on some free coverage on the news followed by some controversy when the Liberals , or someone tied to the Liberals, gets the ads pulled ( witness all the foreshadowing last week) .-NBOb

Huh, you think they can buy Super Bowl time at the last minute? You think they spend all that money to produce ads only not to run them? Fool.

Posted by: Eric-Vancouver at February 2, 2007 11:37 AM

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What I have seen of the ads, they are GOOD. Iggy likes the limelight and he doesn't have any problem making Dion look foolish. One thing about the Liberal party, they tend to stick with their experienced people. Dion has had years of experience with Cretien and Martin as teachers. NEVER believe he is a poor naive guy that just let a little nasty fat joke slip out by accident just because he can barely speak English.

Posted by: Missy at February 2, 2007 02:16 PM

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I guess it is all even... Mackay calls Stonach a dog, Dion calls Harper fat.

Posted by: G. Mcrae at February 3, 2007 03:05 AM

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LMFAO...oh, this is "rich"...

...illegal banning of the French language in schools and government by WASPs accross Canada in an effort to get rid of the French language and a massive immigration effort in the early 1900s to get as many white Europeans into Canada to drown out the Francophone population

You mean in the early 1900's? Right smack dab in the middle of Wilfred Lauriers tenure as Prime Minister [July 11th, 1896 through October 6th, 1911]? You know who he was, right history boy? The first Prime Minister of French ancestry whom also represented the Liberal Party? Is he one of the WASP's you so deeply hate for the wrongs he imposed on French society, or one of the Frenchmen you love for his kind treatment of Natives?
And YOU have the nerve to suggest i "REALLY" don't know [my] history"?!?!
Get your finger out of your nose and pick up a history book, Richard.

French is Canada's other official language, not its second. Also, French was spoken in Canada way before England invaded and shoved English down our throats...
...For your edification, there are French-speaking Canadians ad mare usque ad mare (that's Latin for "from sea to sea" in case you only know English). Thx to Trudeau's Liberals (and what an enlightened era that was), there is official bilingualism accross this great land and we are slowly redressing the wrongs done to us.

You mean cramming the French language down our throats is OK? Two wrongs make a right in your world? There are also Ukrainian speaking Canadians ad mare usque ad mare. When do we get to redress the wrongs done unto them? And those poor Hungarians across this land have been ruthlessly repressed by the Trudeau era i suppose, eh?

LOL, is that why the Harpertron and his right-wing collection of former REFORM party cronies only has a minority government?

I was particularly speaking about the demise of the Liberal stranglehold in Quebec. I suppose i should have clarified. But ya, OK, that is why the Harpertron and his right-wing collection of former REFORM party cronies only has a minority government.

And yes, Dion's English is worse than Harper's French, happy now???

Yes, thanks for admitting that. It's mighty WHITE of you.

In closing Richard, here is a saying you should heed in the future... It is best to keep one's mouth shut and people will only think you a fool. Don't open it and confirm the fact.

PS - i really am uncomfortable with the "nose-picking" comments, but when dealing with children one must stoop to their level i suppose.

Posted by: Bryan at February 3, 2007 03:08 PM

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People, people, people .... can we get back to the REAL issue - the stupid "Kyoto" agreement which, if anyone has taken time to study, is simply a way to do nothing about the environment and transfer taxpayer dollars around the world. Get real and face it. That's all it does - kind of a Britney moment - OOPS, I didn't it again and here's the cheque for the third world country. Typical Liberal/NDP policy - don't actually DO anything, just figure out a way to rob the average Joe working his butt off to live of HIS hard-earned dollars and send them off to who knows where. And you actually think there will be any accountability or honest reporting on (a) what our "Kyoto" status is and (b) how much of your money we are sending to others? I think not - under a Liberal/NDP government it'll all be buried in some trust fund or such until 10 years from now, someone will get a whiff and will blow it open - can you remember sponsorship scandal? You thought that was alot of money ........

Posted by: winterincalgary at February 4, 2007 07:41 PM

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Hi Bryan...

Just thought you might like to read this article...

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/02/04/bilingualism-poll.html

Time for my evil laugh... Ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!

Posted by: Richard at February 5, 2007 01:22 AM

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Ummm...your point is, Richard?
This is how you answer my questions? What does this poll have to do with the core of our discussion?
I took French in school, and my children will take Spanish or perhaps German.
I believe knowing more than one language is very much a good thing. I even picked up a little of the Russian language while working in Kyrghystan.
What i DON'T believe is finding the perfect sound card for my PC recording studio and being told it is illegal to sell in Canada (only nation in the world by the way) because the box it comes in only has English, Spanish, Chinese and German printed on it.
THAT is what i call "cramming it down my throat"!
Don't worry though, i found a dealer with an American affiliate who was more than willing to have it shipped up here simply to "damn the language police" (his words).
I am sorry, Richard, but your post is more of a "weak wimpering" of a rebuttal than deserving of an "evil laugh".

fin

Posted by: Bryan at February 6, 2007 01:58 PM

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(I took French in school)

How Liberal of you… do you actually still speak it?

(I believe knowing more than one language is very much a good thing.)

That is precisely why I speak French, English, Dutch, German and Spanish.

(What i DON'T believe is finding the perfect sound card for my PC recording studio and being told it is illegal to sell in Canada because the box it comes in only has English, Spanish, Chinese and German printed on it.)

Don’t know what planet you were on at the time but I find products in Canada with no French on them all the time…

(THAT is what i call "cramming it down my throat"!)

Well, last time I checked, the USA only has the one official language and I’m sure you will fit right in.

As far as cramming it down our throats, that is precisely what the WASPs were doing in the early 1900s in Manitoba when they illegally banned the use of the French language in all Franco-Manitoban schools in an attempt to assimilate us… so don’t get on your high horses and whine and wimper that packaging has to be bilingual or that government services have to be offered in both official languages when the population warrants it! I'm tired of knee-jerk conservative rednecks moaning about how the French-Canadians are running Canada and how the West isn't getting a fair shake¦ that's politics baby!!

And yes, my evil laugh was warranted because, like it or not, I know now that bilingualism is working and is supported by a majority of Canadians, and that YOU have to live with it!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA, etc.

Posted by: Richard at February 6, 2007 06:44 PM

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Seriously Richard, How old are you?
Are you 12 years old?
Taking French = Liberal? WOW - i did not know that the desire to educate ones self with a foreign language was politically motivated.
Bragging about how many languages you speak? Quite indicative of an overblown sense of self worth.
Claiming i am on a different planet because of a sound card?
Why the F*** would i make it up?!? I do not lie Richard. It's a matter of morals and principle.
I didn't make the product Richard, or the rules or the story. The dealer informed me after 3 days of research that they had been informed not to import it due to the packaging and the lack of French. PERIOD. No aliens, no other planets, just a ridiculous situation because of language. Take the tin-foil hat off now. You'll stop drooling shortly and all will be well.
Are you suggesting you actively seek out packages with no French? How "Canadian Alliance" of you.
USA = 1 language. How many other countries around the world have 1 official language Richard? Would you ever so tolerantly round up all the unilingual "WASP's" in CANADA and ship them off to a foreign country because they are (in your world) less intelligent than you?
Manitoba history...Once again, a French Liberal Prime Minister allowed this attocity to happen in Manitoba? I suggest you lobby the Liberal Party of Canada for financial restitution and quit whining about the WASPs doing you so much personal harm. IT WAS THE FRENCH LIBERALS that allowed it to happen, fool.
"so don't get on your high horses and whine and wimper that packaging has to be bilingual or that government services have to be offered in both official languages when the population warrants it! I'm tired of knee-jerk conservative rednecks moaning about how the French-Canadians are running Canada and how the West isn't getting a fair shake"
Ummm, whom would you be referring to?
I shared a story about 1 package, never mentioned government services, am not a "conservative", am proud of being labelled "red-neck" as it is a term describing one who continually performs a hard days work, and said nothing about French-Candians running Canada or the West not getting a fair shake.
You certainly have exposed more of your hatred, intolerance and bigotry of "WASP's".
It is wonderful that so many of us choose to be bilingual, isn't it? At least we agree there. It's just a shame that you can't realise that individuals have all the power to make this decision themselves without government interference in our lives. Just like the interference you are continually complaining about historically.

Keep evilly laughing, Richard...you mentally regress more and more each time.

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