The second one of three is not all that good but the other two are better. These ad are not that lowball gutter stuff that I was lead to believe by the way the Libs are responding.You know....The far leftist Dion would tax away a poor families food money to give cash in brown paper bags to their rich friends in Toronto restaurants.. we are not making this up.

Posted by: David at January 29, 2007 10:43 AM

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I'll check them out - thanks for posting them Steve.

My only problem is that they are running them now, when there's no campaign underway (other than the continuous campaign the LPC seems to run, even when in office). Seems inappropriate for some reason. Everybody knows the LPC is a failure, so why the concern?

I have been pretty confident that an election won't be called because Harper would sail to a majority in view of his accomplishments in only one short year. He's popular.

As an aside, I wish the Bloc hadn't been given space in the Commons. They are a provincial party, not federal and by sitting there, they almost guarantee minority governments. In view of their stated goals, I have no idea why they have input at the federal level. Was that a Liberal idea, I honestly can't remember?

Posted by: Selma at January 29, 2007 10:55 AM

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Sorry for the double comment but I am impressed. There's nothing nasty about those ads at all. Just actual Liberals speaking.

Liberals. In our cities. In Canada.

Brilliant!

Posted by: Selma at January 29, 2007 10:59 AM

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I think the one with the "whining" Dion is the one that could do the most damage. It does portray Dion as being, for lack of a better term, a complete wimp. Seriously, the Conservatives could run that ad alone and destroy any credibility Dion has.

Not that Dion had much credibility to begin with.

Posted by: Surecure at January 29, 2007 11:16 AM

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Using Iggy was very clever, nothing like opening up that little power struggle

Posted by: ian at January 29, 2007 11:49 AM

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The perception of the Dion response is the one that will resonate in a way the liberals will have a very hard time with.

"Thats not fair" he says to Iggy. Okay, so why is it unfair? Does it mean that no one is to question the liberal record?
As in:

"Thats not fair, you have no right to question me."

Posted by: gimbol at January 29, 2007 11:53 AM

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Nice ads!

Iggy - "We didn't get it done!"

Dion - "You don't know what you speak about!"

Iggy - "Blubber-sputter, uhhh, we din't get it done!"

Dion - "You don't know what you speak about!"

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Can anyone here wait until Harper debates Dion in an election debate? I sure can't.

Posted by: Ontario Lad at January 29, 2007 11:57 AM

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The ads are very good - similar to their election ads, which had the same format of focusing on facts and actual statements.

I think the CPC (and note - CTV is saying that it's the Conservative GOVERNMENT that is mounting these ads; that's malicious; it's the Conservative PARTY)...had to do this because the Liberals have been mounting an intense Define Dion campaign since his leadership win. They've had to do this as Dion's actual presence and words are unpalatable. So, the Liberals have for the past two months, used the MSM to set up a Fictional Dion, trying to hide the Actual Dion.

This fictional Dion has been written by MSM 'pundits' who've redefined Dion as 'his English is better than Harper's French (hah); he's so kind, so warm, so....blah blah)..

The actual Dion has had to be kept restrained, since his first childish words, on becoming leader, were to call Harper a 'far-right', a 'control-freak'..etc...and it turns out that Dion is the control-freak, that Harper is not far-right...and that name-calling belongs in grade school. And Dion's 'gaffes' - allowing tainted Liberals back into the Liberal party, attacking the West as living on 'easy-money'...etc..

But the Liberals have a free ride with the MSM, which has been assisting them in setting up a Fictional Dion and promoting the Liberal party.

So- since the MSM works for the Liberals/NDP, paid by the taxpayer, the CPC has no choice but to set up their own media - paid for not by the taxpayer but by private citizens.

By the way, Selma, I completely and totally agree with you about the Bloc. It's a travesty, a violation of democracy, to have a party confined to one province's electorate allowed into a federal legislature - and allowed to make decisions about issues and yet, it is not accountable to the full electorate for those decisions. It is completely undemocratic. And, as you say, it means that Canadian governments are reduced, almost always, to a minority and can't take decisive steps.

The Bloc has moved out of its one-issue origins and has become the 'natural' party, the default party of Quebec. You vote for it because it represents Quebec. Period. That essentially sets up our Canadian governance as a minority - and a minority is a centrist government, unable to take risk decisions or make long term future oriented plans. That's a weak governing mode. The Bloc should not be allowed.

Posted by: ET at January 29, 2007 12:25 PM

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These ads go to the heart in proving exactly why the Tories believe that these ads are necessary. Dion has been getting a free ride in the Liberal loving media. His gaffes are relatively ignored by contrast. When Peter MacKay allegedly makes a comment about Belinda Stronach, its news for a week. When Dion muses about Cote coming back to the LPC, its done in a day. The media are painting Dion as the "green man" when emissions have gone way up under his watch as Environmental Minister, proving that he is anything BUT green. And do we ever hear anything about that in the MSM? Of course not.

Remember when then Liberal "soldiers in our streets" ad came out? That was an outright lie and distortion that never came to pass. Do we ever hear about the fact it never happened? No, of course not.

The fact is the current Tory ads are pointing out what Dion said and thus proving what he is - an ineffectual, old Party LPC Liberal.

Posted by: Ontario Lad at January 29, 2007 01:09 PM

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There is a clear difference between negative attack ads and critical ads. Let's not let our Liberal friends (most of whom are decent, honourable people) blur the distinction.

I agree with David: the second one isn't all that good - it's not bad, but merely adequate.

The first one is a lot better, the third is best of all.

Posted by: Brian in Calgary at January 29, 2007 01:14 PM

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When the Liberals do this kind of ad its called "negative"..
When the Connies do it, it's called "critical"

Is it me or has the stench of hypocrisy gotten pretty bad here?

Posted by: cherniak_wtf at January 29, 2007 01:27 PM

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There's a big difference between presenting actual statements on issues made by politicians and implying martial law, a sellout to the US, etc as we saw during the last campaign.

These aren't attack ads at all - unless the LPC attacking itself counts.

Posted by: Selma at January 29, 2007 01:49 PM

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It's impossible to "negative" in warning the public about this dangerous cryto-commie rat turd.
The unspoken fact is thet if Dion ever gets a chance to ram his Quebec-centric anti- Alberta agenda down the nation's throat he will in all likelihood polarize the nation as it has never been before.

If LPC power borkers belive that a snotty little empty heady doofus like Dion and his far left policy camp followers can produce enough BS to convince Albertans/Westerners to cut their own throats and fund his electoral hobby horse (Kyoto) by tanking their economy while Quebec and Ont. get LPC exemptions from Kyoto taxing, he deserves to move into that fluffy pink castle in the sky that all utopian schizophrenics fantacisize about.

He's a dangerous, deranged ideologue with a overt hostility to the West and Anglo ROC

Posted by: WL Mackenzie Redux at January 29, 2007 01:56 PM

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"Is it me or has the stench of hypocrisy gotten pretty bad here?"

It's you. Try a shower.

Posted by: multirec at January 29, 2007 05:25 PM

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ET's comment about the "fictional Dion" is apt. After Dion won the leadership he was instantly branded by the CBC as a default-setting Good Canadian, while the Liberals' actual record -- what record? -- was, as always, essentially expunged from the coverage. Essentially, the Liberal party is presented as having nothing whatsoever to do with their own record and their own behaviour -- good gig if you can get it. Meanwhile, the Conservatives are presented in an ongoing way as a real problem for Canada.

This sort of bald-faced journalistic fraud is an enormous obstacle to fair elections. I think that a lot of informed Conservatives who read blogs and newspapers shrug off such coverage as irrelevent, when in fact it's not just relevent, it's critical. A lot of people come home from work and end up watching TV. With no other background information or context, in many cases, they end up absorbing over time a Liberal take on federal politics.

A few Conservative ads can't counter the effect of CBC/CTV's coast-to-coast campaign against the Conservatives, but hopefully they will help make it a bit harder for the Liberals to slide under the radar.

Posted by: EBD at January 29, 2007 07:28 PM

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The Stephane Dion one is the one I would run with, it paints the most damning portrait of Dion, The Environment one would be next, the other one I would get rid of.

Posted by: Kitchener Conservative at January 29, 2007 07:29 PM

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The Stephane Dion is not a leader is the one I would run with, it paints the most damning portrait of Dion, The Environment one would be next, the other one I would get rid of.

Posted by: Kitchener Conservative at January 29, 2007 07:30 PM

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I think these ads are necessary for the conservative party to get public attention back to the facts. For over a decade the Liberal government wasted billions upon billions of dollars and the pubic is no safer and the environment no cleaner. The way the CBC and CTV networks have become the mouth pieces of the Liberal Party makes me very angry. It is about time the free ride ends for the Liberals and the truth about their corruption and waste of public funds be brought out into the public.

Posted by: Ryan at January 29, 2007 08:04 PM

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Do you think Iggy will lose any sleep over this?

There is a wealth of Iggyisms out there just waiting for an election to be re-discovered.

I'll wager that the ABI wing of the liberal party is now questioning Dion's choice for deputy leader.

Wonder if that "stopiggy" site is still up and running?

Posted by: gimbol at January 30, 2007 07:00 AM

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The first one should not show Ken Dryden. I'd harken back and pull some old Chretien clips about the Sponsorship Scandal(ie. so what if I lost hundreds of millions...)...

The second one had potential but they needed to use more clips of Dion speaking...

The third one works great...

All and all, I'd say the ads were about a 7.5 out of 10, not spectacular but decent.

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