A recent poll shows a majoority of Quebeckers admit to harbouring racist attitudes. Given that Quebeckers have so much invested in Quebec nationalism, this darker expression of group-identity politics should come as no surprise to anyone.
That racist attitudes are so prevalent does come as a surprise to Jean Dorion, the president of the Saint-Jean-Baptiste Society, a group that leads Quebec's sovereigntist movement.
What is interesting is that this is the second time in less than a year that Dorion has been shown evidence of racism in Quebec, and professed surprise. Then some name-calling. But mostly surprise.
The Leger poll on racism in Canada is generating a lot of interest:
Fifty-nine per cent of Quebecers admit to being racist to some degree, according to a Leger Marketing survey published Monday in Le Journal de Montreal.
In comparison, only 47 per cent of those outside of Quebec say they are racist to some degree. One per cent of Quebecers surveyed said they were very racist, 15 per cent said moderately racist and 43 per cent responded that they were mildly racist.
Jean Dorion acts surprised. Very surprised:
Really? Then Jean Dorion suffers from some sort of memory disorder. Back in June, he was caught up in a racism scandal in the SSJB itself:The findings stunned Jean Dorion of the Societe Saint-Jean-Baptiste.
"I do not perceive the Quebec society as being racist," he told Le Journal de Montreal.
The concert had all the trappings of a typical rock 'n' roll show: a raucous five-piece punk band, free-flowing beer and more than 100 guests jammed up against the stage or bouncing happily in the mosh pit. Organized by the Montreal chapter of the Saint-Jean-Baptiste Society (SSJB), a group long at the forefront of Quebec's sovereigntist movement, the concert had a political tilt to it as well. The band, Fleurdelix et Les Affreux Galois (essentially, Fleur de Lix and the Dreadful Gaullists), played songs about their love for Quebec and the importance of the French language, and much of the crowd sang along.
But there was also a worrisome element: a dozen or so young men with shaved heads, combat boots and several large Norse tattoos -- including one of Thor's hammer, a symbol of white supremacists. Also in the crowd: Cedric Tremblay, who in 2003 pleaded guilty to spray-painting intolerant graffiti on the city hall of Baie d'Urfe, a largely anglophone community on the West Island; and Daniel Laverdière, who in 2003 was sentenced to four years for stabbing a man in what the court said was a racially motivated attack.
The SSJB has been around since 1834, and is best known for organizing the yearly Saint-Jean-Baptiste parade in Montreal. With a membership of 3,000, it's been an influential force in Quebec, and was instrumental in the founding of several key institutions, including ecole des hautes etudes commerciales de Montreal. In years past, La Societe was also known for its rapprochements with other ethnic communities. But now many in its ranks are worried it has opened itself up to a radical fringe.
I'm not sure that you can call something a "fringe" when it exists inside the executive of the organization:
And there was Andre Forget, the treasurer of SSJB's downtown chapter. Forget is a regular at SSJB functions, and known for his devotion to the separatist cause. But on the Internet, he's known as "Moise Theriault," and has written tirades denouncing Jews, Muslims, the Koran and blacks...According to Yvan Bombardier, president of the downtown chapter, Forget had to be called to order during a meeting after referring to Haitian-born Governor General Michaëlle Jean as Quebec's "nigger king."
François Gendron, the SSJB's youth-wing president, says he knew nothing about Fleurdelix's past. "The group told me they made mistakes," he said. "I know Fleurdelix. It's excellent music, and I never heard any racist talk. They talk about peace, love and friendship." But Gendron, 26, has his own controversial past. He's a sympathizer of the Mouvement de liberation nationale du Quebec, the ultra-nationalist group founded in 1995 by FLQ founder and convicted murderer Raymond Villeneuve (a regular presence at SSJB functions). And in 2003, when his friends (including Cedric Tremblay) were arrested for vandalizing the Baie d'Urfe town hall, Gendron appeared on TV in their defence. Asked how far he would go for an independent Quebec, he said, "I don't have any limits."
As for Andre Forget's comments, which are a good deal more incendiary, Gendron maintains he was joking about calling Michaëlle Jean a "nigger king." "It was like, 'yeah, now we really have a nigger king, ha, ha.' He was going by Moise Theriault, not Andre Forget. It doesn't excuse it, but Theriault is an online character. It's more of a joke. I didn't do anything to encourage him, though."
But Forget does not characterize it as a joke. He admits to having made the comment at the SSJB meeting and online under the alias "Moise Theriault." "That's a fact," he told Maclean's. "It's a term that's been used since the '60s to describe decolonization, and it's happened here in Quebec. We [usually] have nigger kings with white skin. This time we have the real thing." And it wasn't the first time "Moise Theriault" opined on black people. "Whites control the planet," he wrote on May 2, 2004. "They are far from stupid for having accomplished that. Why is it that those who denounce the 'monkey junkies' are always said to be racists?"
To be fair to Forget, he has denounced racism...in racist terms:
On June 3 of that year, he [Andre Forget] wrote, "Racism is like black people, it shouldn't exist."
So what did Jean Dorian say when he was confronted with this serious and violent strain of racism permeating his organization?
For his part, Dorion has denied the presence of racist or neo-Nazi elements in his organization.
And he further accused Maclean's of "McCarthyism" when asked about the issue. But he also said he had not known about Forget's comments. "It's been noted," he said. "It will be taken care of."
So if you see racism in Quebec, and write about it, you are a McCarthyist, a metaphor that makes no sense whatsoever. Makes you wonder what names Dorion has for the people at Leger who had the audacity to run this poll.
I mean, why bother? You could save yourself a lot of time and trouble and just asked Dorion. He would have told you that racism doesn't exist in Quebec. Not in June and not today. Despite all the evidence to the contrary. And then he'd call you a McCarthyist (or some other name randomly chosen from his list of quasi-political insults) for even suggesting otherwise.
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"only 47 per cent of those outside of Quebec say they are racist to some degree"
Does that mean 53% are racist, but won't admit it?
Posted by: Jonny_eh at January 16, 2007 09:19 AM
We've seen it before; the easiest way to stoke Nationalist (even if you aren't a nation) fervour is by given everybody something they can all agree on, or better yet, something they can all agree to hate.
Posted by: northbaytrapper at January 16, 2007 10:51 AM
their poll on racism nailed 2 religions Jewish and Muslim,
Funny they left out christians that would add all the NDP & Liberal voters and get it up to what 80-90%???
They should have asked do you think white males should be denied employment based on the colour of their skin? Anyone who thinks so is racist after all. But they know they are racists for niceness....
Posted by: DrWright at January 16, 2007 10:53 AM
I'd like to see the actual questions asked.
I think they may mean 'ethnicist' or 'religionist', rather than racist, based on what's reported at CBC.
Posted by: Selma at January 16, 2007 12:33 PM
I also would like to know the actual question(s) asked.
Posted by: Brian in Calgary at January 16, 2007 01:16 PM
I'm with you Selma. Let's see the actual questions. I'm not sure that legitimate paranoia about the objectives of adherents of a certain religion who live among us qualifies as "racism". I wonder how much of the 59% is really "phobia".
Posted by: felis corpulentis at January 16, 2007 01:21 PM
I'm going by a similar story that was in the sun yesterday.
Posted by: DrWright at January 16, 2007 01:31 PM
Quebeckers are much more racist than anyone else in Canada. But who can blame them for being a little racist towards Arab or Haitian gangs that infest the streets of Montreal? I think this influences perception.
Posted by: Ace at January 16, 2007 02:39 PM
I was unable to get any detail from the Leger site; they say that they will be posting complete results of the poll on Friday, January 19.
The CBC article linked in Steve's post states:
"The survey looked at Quebecers' views of a variety of cultural groups.
It found 36 per cent of Quebecers have a bad opinion of Jewish people, while 27 per cent have a poor opinion of blacks. Fifty per cent have a bad opinion of Muslims.
Jean-Marc Léger, president of Leger Marketing, said Quebecers are influenced by the images of Muslims seen after the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States.
"The Arab community carries the weight of Sept. 11 and religious extremists," Léger told Le Journal de Montréal. "People were thinking of them when they answered the survey.""
Leger's interpretation doesn't really add a whole lot. I guess I'll wait until I can see the questions and the results.
Are these polls really accurate indicators of the public perceptions in any degree other than statistical, or are they merely opinion manipulators? Any other perspectives on this out there?
Posted by: felis corpulentis at January 16, 2007 02:48 PM
The wording of the question is the key to the answer.
For example, this was the TO Sun's poll the other day:
"Compared to a decade ago, do you feel Canadian society is more tolerant when it comes to racism?"
I interpreted it to mean 'tolerant of racism' but it could mean 'tolerant of other races'.
It's a confusing and poorly worded question. I answered 'the same' because I have never known anyone who tolerates racism, so for me there's no change.
Racism is an overused word these days, I think what they really mean is xenophobic.
Posted by: Selma at January 16, 2007 04:25 PM
So, I wonder how many of those "racists" were from visible minorities?
Posted by: jgriffin at January 16, 2007 09:19 PM
Reminds me of something my MIL, originally from Quebec, once said, roughly translating to "I love black people. I think everyone should own one."
To this day, I don't know if she was all joking, or partly serious.
I, too, would love to see the questions asked for this. I also wonder about definitions. Is one considered racist if it's the culture that a person finds objectionable? Since culture and race are frequently connected, it might appear so.
Posted by: Kunoichi at January 17, 2007 02:52 AM
If that's how Queebeckers "think", I ponder what sort of NEGATIVE SELF-IMAGE they must inevitably possess of themselves?
Posted by: Feldwebel Wolfenstool at January 17, 2007 09:37 AM
Of course Canadians are racist...
"Comparing himself to Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks... and Canada to North Korea and Iran... Mr Almon, who, with the help of the President of the Detroit ACLU, is suing two former federal ministers and 95 border guards for 900 million dollars, leaves us with his raison d'etre..."
"Which also serves up our Oxymoron of the Week... "Rap Intelligence Unit""
Posted by: neo at January 18, 2007 02:33 AM
The question was so vague as make this a meaningless poll.Even the guy who did the poll admitted as much.You seemed to have forgotten to mention that.
You are that much of a traffic whore,to post such a ridicules "poll".
It is obvious you are trying to turn this into a paying gig,nothing wrong with that I suppose,if you did not make it so obvious...
Posted by: dirk at January 22, 2007 02:13 AM