Caledonia: Teaching kids the dark facts of life
A fence is going up around the Notre Dame Catholic School in Caledonia. The school propery borders on the Douglas Creek Estates site occupied by Native protesters from the Six Nations and their Mohawk Warrior allies. Children aren't stupid -- they will get the message behind the fence, loud and clear.
From The Hamilton Spectator:
The Catholic School Board has reaffirmed a plan to build an eight-foot high privacy fence behind Notre Dame School to shield students from the native occupation of a neighbouring housing development.
But trustees would like it to be temporary and aim to take it down once a berm is built behind the Braemar Avenue school on Douglas Creek Estates and a 15-metre buffer zone is established.
Fence or buffer zone -- the message is the same: Children are to be kept away from the reserve lands. If it is determined that the Douglas Creek Estates are part of reserve, then a separation must be established and maintained.
I thought only drug dealers and pedophiles are routinely told to keep away from children.
"We had some discussions on if a wooden fence is the best answer," education director Theresa Harris said yesterday.
"We did revisit the situation and the board decided we would go ahead with a temporary wooden fence with the distinct hope it would soon be replaced with a berm of some sort."
A berm? Though the word has many uses, the primary use of the word berm is to describe the flat strip of ground on the top of a low rampart -- part of the vocabulary of military fortification. Nice choice of words.
The Natives are offended:
The decision to stay with the fence also came after officials met with chiefs and clan mothers from Six Nations.
Harris said the natives called it a "drastic measure" and spoke of alternatives such as the buffer zone. Others have also been disturbed by the fence.
A drastic measure? Hey, these people are just protecting their land. Surely the Natives can understand how important that is? How just about any action is justified?
Expect a lot more fences to go up -- and more cameras:
Brant Haldimand Norfolk Catholic board trustees also decided to install a half-dozen additional surveillance cameras at the school, bringing the total to nine.
Tripling the surveillance capacity of the school. The school board is clearly not expecting three times the normal level of trouble from the kids. So I expect the cameras will be aimed outwards. School administrators monitoring the camera feeds can immediately react if a potential threat approaches or attempts to breach the perimeter.
Yeah, we're still talking about an elementary school.
You know, you can talk to kids until you are blue in the face about multiculturalism and respecting differences and learning to get along. But the kids will see the fence and the cameras and the nervous adults, and they will learn a very different lesson from all this, even if it's not the one you wanted them to learn. That some groups are never likely to ever get along, and the best you can do is draw a line and keep them on the other side.
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So in McAsswipes Ontario we are now going to get a Berlin wall or a copy of the Israel security wall. The last I believe is called illegal by the UN, that great organisation so beloved by Lieberals. But in Ontario Canada it is going around a school to protect kids from terrorists because the provincial wankers cannot do it as they are all cowards.
Posted by: Pissedoff at September 4, 2006 09:57 AM
Caledonia is an indictment of Political Correctness. The rule of Law is being ignored and the fact it is a duly-elected government doing the ignoring is beyond belief. What is further beyond belief is that Canadians haven't recognized the danger to the very freedoms they profess to care about...a lot. There are several interviews on the Caledonia issue to be found by checking www.therightside.ca In particular, accurate accounts from Gary McHale (www.caledoniawakeupcall.com) and Pat Wooley a keen observer and chronicaler of events on the occupied property.
Posted by: Doug Aldridge at September 4, 2006 10:12 AM
Not to mention the taxpayers (courtesy of Mr. McDoily) will be shelling out the $35,000.00 for the fence & security cams. Of course, this is just a drop in the bucket for the 20 million dollars plus (not counting the cost of policing) that's been pissed away so far.
Posted by: neo at September 4, 2006 10:20 AM
...i don't see what all the howling is about.
You sleep in the bed you make.
Just like Alberta with PC's (as in ProgCons) the voting public gets what they voted for.
Hopefully everyone will wake up and vote the proper way next election.
Then again who really cares, right?
Posted by: tomax7 at September 4, 2006 11:24 AM
...just so the yakheads dont' blow a gasket by misinterpreting what I just said, Alberta is suffering due to PC's ineptness also.
Alberta PC is really Liberal.
Posted by: tomax7 at September 4, 2006 11:26 AM
...but indeed, back on topic, what ARE kids learning from this?
In my humble view from the forest (you know the tree thing):
1. Indians can't be trusted, err First Nations, err Six Nations, last nations, arian? Whatever the PC name is now.
2. OPP can't be trusted. They work for the Liberal government and lock up Mom's and Dads standing up for their rights in this country.
3. Crime does pay, gambling is a legit profession and they have bigger guns.
4. Being Political Correct does pay - Head Lady ex-OPP getting thousands of dollars in severance, benefits, new job in new country, etc, etc, etc.
5. To get voted into office, you promise lots and lie low and do nothing when your integrity is on the line.
6. You learn Orwellian double speak. Sorry, meant Political Correctness.
7. Trust no one in authority. From MP to Mayor to OPP, see point #2.
8. Mom and Dad talk about MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) with duck and cover. Now they talk about MAD being Moron's Against Democracy with screw and run.
9. You learn men being men and women being women are wrong. Metroized males in leadership is the norm.
10. You learn there is no truth, no absolutes so no one gets their feelings hurt and we all can go our merry way playing harps in the daisy fields eating our non-GM-tufo style soya brand meat.
...so yes, what are they learning? Heck what is or has anyone learned from this?
Hmm, something about ignoring history and bound to repeat it, what was that place called Oka Ipperwhat?
Posted by: tomax7 at September 4, 2006 12:48 PM
What I find so interesting is that the media (Globe-Star-National and TV) have practically ignored this breach of law and order. Now if a member of P.C. party got stopped for impaired driving it would be all over the headlines. I guess non-natives don't count anymore. We make a huge fuss over one native being shot when he was in violation of the law and previously armed (even though they won't admit it). Here again the natives do whatever they want with immunity. The OPP should hang their heads in shame - this force had a wonderful reputation but all it took was for one politically appointed Commssioner to destroy a reputation that took almost 100 years to develop.
Posted by: Alonzo at September 4, 2006 01:33 PM
Now the hillbilly side of caledonia is festering to the fore front according to a statement made by one of the residents where he made the statement,"me and cuzin jed and even my wife cuzin jannie are gettin a itchy trigger finger and somethins goin tuh happun soon""we've put near had it" So now they are threatining to take up arms and exact vigilante justice. What happened to their claim that they follow the letter of the law to the "T" so much for the image of the civilized being victimized as soon as they can see that this image will not warrant more "aid" the true stripes of the outback hilbilly redneck emerges. I knew it was only a matter of time.
Posted by: at September 4, 2006 04:06 PM
since when do the six nations NOT include the mohawk nation? warriors, not your understanding, are integral to their society. get one thing right in your invectives steve. do you ever do any of your own research or are you fed by the feds exclusively?
Posted by: Ottawa Core at September 4, 2006 05:36 PM
anon at 4;06pm...
- could it also be maybe these folks are on the edge of a nervous breakdown?
Possibly a result from lack of sleep, non-existant security, and the trust in a once proud establishment like the OPP has been broken?
Naw, easier to make fun of these poor folks.
Let's see how you react when this happens on your doorstep...notice I didnt' say "if".
Posted by: tomax7 at September 4, 2006 05:37 PM
Hillbilly?
What laws should they be following?
The OPP and politicians have already made it clear there is no rule of law.
Posted by: Zono at September 4, 2006 05:55 PM
Posted by: Ottawa Core at September 4, 2006 05:36 PM
"do you ever do any of your own research or are you fed by the feds exclusively?"
I wonder, Core... who signs your cheques?
Posted by: Mac at September 4, 2006 07:27 PM
Comparisons to the Berlin wall are completely inappropriate. Janie Jamieson already did so and she should be raked across the coals for saying such a thing.
Posted by: JD at September 5, 2006 05:15 AM
The only thing McGuinty will accomplish from Caledonia is a trip to the backbenches as the minority party in the oppostion.
Posted by: gimbol at September 5, 2006 06:28 AM
To Everyone:
After reading the posts on this blog and many others (native and non-native), I think that the law has been 100% ignored in Caledonia (and any area natives decide to execute ‘peaceful protest’) and the ‘police’ are so incompetent that it amazes me beyond belief! as I have read before and will now repeat, ‘The Tides of Change Are upon Us!’ and I think how one writer put it suites the situation just fine.
‘Gone are the days of security and trust in our appointed authorities. For the law breakers of tomorrow who are thinking of pulling a Caledonia be warned of one thing. You’ll not be met by police or military forces but that of private organizations that will stand ground and up hold the law. Actions of violence, intimidation and terrorist actions will no longer be tolerated and will be met with strict repercussions by the people of the land!’
After watching all the major incidents involving the natives, the government and the Canadian tax payer, I say one thing – Time for a change!
I wish that what has happened in oka, ipperwash and Caledonia (to name a few) never comes to another town\city, but if it dose I truly hope that there will be people or persons willing to take on the challenge and stand up to any group that holds them hostage. I guess a good reference in this point is the passengers from flight 93 in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack.
I hope that the voices are not silenced now and that everyone who is speaking up now to continue and grow the movement stronger across this country and around the world. If you look at why the government gives in to the natives and their demands every time, it is because they have the support of their people and the numbers will speak for themselves. If an equal amount of people were to speak up and demand changes made, then that group would get equal attention by the government and other governing bodies.
To sum it up the government is afraid that if they speak up now to the ‘proclaimed first nations’ then they’ll have approximately 3-4 million very angry and to say blood thirsty persons to deal with. If an equal number or more (say the other 30-32 million Canadians or even a small percent of that) were to speak up against the actions being taken by the government to deal with the extremist. The change in police and protocol would be enormous. I imagine these incidences would never happen again and the whole native issue across Canada would be dealt with swiftly and accordingly. I say there is a reason why the six nation’s leaders\chiefs say they do not fear the non-native Canadian because of how weak they are. I say it is time for them to eat their words and be given a reality check!
I’ll end this with one last thought that allot of people I know agree with - The natives need to be realistic and stop trying to claim title to CANADA and their ridiculous \outrageous claims to sovereignty! I’ll say this one time so read it over again and again as need until it sinks in. WE ARE ALL GOVERNED BY ONE SET OF LAWS AND THE LAWS DO NOT CHANGE FOR INDIVIDUAL GROUPS! LEARN IT, LIVE IT, LOVE IT!!
Posted by: the last stand at September 5, 2006 09:13 AM
As a practical matter, a wooden fence across the back of the school will be completely cosmetic. Mostly useful so the kids won't worry (as much) about "demonstrators" putting up signs to harass them.
A berm, on the other hand, will be an excellent addition. Not only will it hide the malicious goings on of the "demonstrators", it will stop a bullet. Or a truck. Or even a truckbomb if its thick enough.
At this time I'd like to thank Dalton McGuinty and the Liberal Party for making me think a school in sleepyville Caledonia Ontario needs a berm.
Lets all remember that come the election, shall we?
Posted by: The Phantom at September 5, 2006 10:38 AM
neo:
Your number is not even close. Annually, the feds piss away ~$10B on "First Nations" peoples, through DINA. Add in another coupla billion for provincial and federal expenditures on health, justice and other associated problems associated with First Nations peoples, and I reckon it's about $12,000/annum/native spent by all levels of Canadian government (assumes ~1M First Nations peoples in toto).
Think about it- every native family of five has $60K/annum spent on them directly. Plus, all natives have the benefits of the full panoply of common goods- roads, railsways, harbours, etc. And status natives (IIRC, 1/32nd native blood) pay no taxes.
There's no life like it...
Posted by: Brian at September 5, 2006 11:01 AM
Yea Brian I bet you would trade them positions anyday.
Posted by: at September 5, 2006 11:24 PM
Guess there is a spoof site of Caledonia Wake up Call.
http://www.caledoniawakeupcall.ca/
Posted by: tomax7 at September 5, 2006 11:54 PM
Last stand hmmm...
It very well could be, still playing the old colonial card as the dominant race and included the threats of your colonial fathers to boot.
You must remember, because of this way of thinking there are other cultures in the world who are fast becoming sick and tired of the colonial need to deny them the ability to determine their own affairs. Paternalism dies hard I guess.
You have been exposed to this inconvenience in six nations for how long? And how long have the natives in north America and visible minorities around the world been inconvenienced? What is it that makes colonialism better than other political ideologies? Besides keeping political, economic, social power and control of it firmly in the hands of Europeon descendants? I mean c'mon that's what this is really all about.
Besides this, the protesters have suddenly given you a reason to exist. You've probably wondered why you have always felt such discontent for minorities and now you know, it is now clear and an opportunity has arisen that has given you a chance to give in to it.
Be true to yourself, be true to this country, there's no hiding it there never was. Look at history, right up to the present, nothing has changed you still have morons who spin propaganda and think the billions "given" to reserves actually reach them. It's statements like these that really show just how ignorant anglo-Canada is, it is either that or they are made to create the same unification of hate amongst you that is the equivalent of a cross burning except that it is some what more evolved so as to not appear out right racist, however is the effect not the same. These blogs can also fall under that category, just a more sophisticated means to an old practice.
Posted by: at September 5, 2006 11:59 PM
"Yea Brian I bet you would trade them positions anyday."- anon. poster, 05.09.06
Actually, yes. Any First Nations person who is not a millionaire is either lazy or stupid. Since I am neither, I'd work the system into a comfy sinecure and high-net-wealth situation within a few years.
More fundamentally, disband DINA over a period of, say, 10 years. Absolute cold turkey cut off from all federal DINA funds within a decade. With a one-time payment (in trust or otherwise) to every native, on a declining basis as the deadline approaches, to permit them to start life outside the strictures of federal paternalism and welfarism.
There is no greater barrier to success in life than the bigotry of low expectations.
Posted by: Brian at September 6, 2006 11:09 AM
There is no greater barrier to success in life than the bigotry of low expectations.
well put!
Posted by: dave at September 6, 2006 11:36 AM
So anon, do you think needing a berm behind a public school is progress toward something good? Because that's the net effect of what's going on here.
All the racial solidarity/progressive wonderfulness/ good feelings in the world are not going to pull the bullet back out of some little kid's head. Think upon this.
Posted by: The Phantom at September 6, 2006 01:36 PM
Yes, the absence of colonialism has really been working out great in Zimbabwe!!
Posted by: Kevin at September 6, 2006 04:52 PM
There is no greater barrier to success in life than the bigotry of low expectations.... and the bigots who continuously enforce and create the policies and objectives that ensure it.
Posted by: at September 6, 2006 06:07 PM
Brian nor are you a millionaire, so I guess this qualifies you also as being one or the other or both. Or is this just another stereotype. ho hum.
Posted by: at September 6, 2006 06:16 PM
The fence will only mean that the kids will have to throw their frisbees higher to get them over, and Six Nations people won't be able to throw them back anymore because they won't be sure of not hitting a kid. Too bad. It was kind of a game for the kids and they enjoyed it.
It's just some parents ... who talked loud and shouted everyone else down, inlcuding teachers and principal. A minister had to remind them of manners, and not very successfully.
Too bad the government is listening to the few bullies who have silenced the decent people of Caledonia. Foolish realy. Escalates things.
Of course (!) that is the usual Canadian strategy.
Like Ipperwash ... Send in a whole bunch of policemen so you can say "things have escalated" ... so you can start shooting them.
I hear the frustration of Conservatives. I just don't understand what they want to do about it. Start shooting them?
John Tory kept yammering about the rule of law ... Judge David MARSHALL's LAW OF HALDIMAND COUNTY that no one shall tell the truth about ........ WHO REALLY OWNS THE LAND WHERE HE LAYS HIS HEAD on the banks of the Grand River. (Can you say conflict of interest?)
Dalton McGuinty accused Tory of suggesting he direct a police action. Tory said I did not ... blah blah blah blah blah.
Not heard from again, because ...
CONSERVATIVES HAVE NO USEFUL SUGGESTIONS !!
hitthemblahblah
cutofftheirchequeblahblah
cutofftheirhydroandfoodsuppliesblahblah
sendinthetroopsshootthemblahblah
"IwantthefuckingIndiansoutofthetown." blahblah
Judge Marshall: The court of appeal won't be forgetting that he has acquired hundreds of acres in the Haudenosaunee's Haldimand tract in addition to his estate on the Grand. Conflict of interest. He's toast.
- forgetting Treaty Law and Constitutional Law and a Supreme Court ruling that in land claims, the government must "uphold the honour of the Crown" and its treaties and proclamations and agreements with Indigenous people.
It's not like Canada didn't know that was the right thing to do.
Our governments have consecutively created plans ... and then created cracks to push land claims into.
(E.G. Failing to respect participatory democracy. Yes it is true ... what is agreed at the table is agreed only as the message they can carry back to the people, who will make the decisions. You can't bully individuals into signing agreements in participatory democracy. That's why the 1841 surrender for sale is invalid ... it was not agreed to by the people. They agreed to only to lease. There are people living in the Haldimand tract who know their leases ran out a century ago and it is only a matter of time. There are farmers farming extra land ... Six Nations' land ... for free, which gives them an unfair advantage over other counties where farmers have to pay for leased land ... and they know they are lucky and it is only a matter of time.
Ontario has guaranteed people's property titles, according to a purloined tape of Jane Stewart.
Relax people.
The universe is unfolding as it should.
And we have a new greenbelt! :)
Posted by: saga at September 8, 2006 03:32 AM
and PHANTOM ...
Where do you get this bullet crap!!!
The only bullets around are police ones, and NONE have been used ... NONE ... because Haudenosaunee Six Nations people are unarmed at Clan MOthers' insistence. It's their show ... their title.
It's the land they want ... by law.
There are no firearme around to hurt children, and that's an appalling thought to them.
Not going to happen ... unless Canada does something utterly stupid in the eyes of the world WITHOUT evacuating the school first.
Posted by: saga at September 8, 2006 03:42 AM
Saga I could not have said it better myself.
Posted by: at September 8, 2006 04:18 PM
 
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