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Caledonia: A toughly worded letter

A letter, descibed as "stern", has been sent to the Six Nations demanding a drawdown of the native presence at the site. It was signed by both provincial and federal ministers. Credibility is being put on the line.




From AM900 CHML:

Queen's Park and Ottawa have now sent a sternly worded letter to the chief of the Six Nations Confederacy Council.

But chief Allan McNaughton says he has not received the letter.

It's asking for assurances from the council that there will be no further nuisance and disturbances from the native protesters on the occupied land in Caledonia.

The letter says that means an end to loud noises, bright lights from ATV's, firecrackers and any other activities that disturb the peace.

It says the federal and provincial government expect a smaller presence on the site and the eventual withdrawl of the protesters while the process for determining land ownership continues.

The letter is signed by federal Indian Affairs Minister Jim Prentice and provincial Aboriginal Affairs Minister David Ramsay.

No mention of a timetable for this "eventual" drawdown of protesters.

No mention of what consequences will follow if the protesters don't comply.

No mention of what actions will be taken to punish those who continue with the nuisance activities.

No mention of who will enforce these demands -- the Ontario Provincial Police, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, or the army.

No mention of why Prentice and Ramsay believe McNaughton has any power over the protesters to make these things happen even if he was so inclined.

The Mohawk Warriors don't work for McNaughton. If McNaughton tries and fails to take control of the situation, he'll end up looking like Dalton McGuinty, powerless and ineffective and irrelevant.

But regardless of whose name appears in the letter, it is a line in the sand of sorts. Expectations have been set, and credibility is on the line. If the protesters don't drawdown and then leave as demanded, both the federal government and provincial government will look bad. Dalton McGuinty's Liberal government has lost most of its credibility already, as has the OPP. I don't think the federal Conservative government in Ottawa, and either the RCMP or the army, should either be called in, are willing to go down the same path as McGuinty.


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A strongly-worded letter? Gosh, that sounds familiar:

Mayor Quimby: "People, take it easy. We're all upset about Mr. Burns' plan to, uh, block out our sun. It is time for decisive action. I have here a polite but firm letter to Mr. Burns' underlings, who with some cajoling, will pass it along to him or at least give him the gist of it."

Aide: [whispering] Sir, a lot of people are stroking guns.

Mayor Quimby: "Also it has been brought to my attention that a number of you are stroking guns. Therefore I will step aside and open up the floor."

Posted by: Jason Hickman at August 31, 2006 10:08 AM



The only stern response is the army with orders to shoot any terrorist. Just as if it was Afghanistan.

Posted by: pissedoff at August 31, 2006 10:29 AM



It's time to bone up on some Texas history; follow their lead on how to deal with militant natives.

Posted by: thisisridiculous at August 31, 2006 10:55 AM



I am personally boycotting all Indian businesses until the "protestors" leave DCE. I hope this boycott will spread, especially to the casinos.

Posted by: Shaken at August 31, 2006 12:14 PM



Get these Terrorists of the land and arrest them all for terrorist crimes against Canada. These people are insane. GET RID OF THE NATIVE PROTESTORS. Time for the Ontario Goverment and more importantly the Federal Government to GET INVOLVED. People in my town have to live in fear every day, this is UNACCEPTABLE. Time for the Onario govnt to Stick up for the people that Elected them. GTE SOME BALLS MCGUINTY AND GET THEM OFF THE LAND!!

Posted by: at August 31, 2006 01:01 PM



This "stern" letter addressed to the natives (via chief Allan McNaughton) has all the nuances of disciplining out-of-control children who'll probably rebel against parental authority by "accidentally" burning down more of those partially finished houses before they leave "home". These molly-coddled hooligans have not acted in accordance with house rules for over 6 months despite all the tolerance of a very naive parent, so why would they begin to co-operate now?

The only way to resolve this fiasco is for Big Brother to ask the new Ontario POLITICAL Police to step up to plate and try to regain some of their lost credibility by demonstrating real action that will get the native's attention.

Posted by: Victor at August 31, 2006 01:40 PM



All of you sound very racist. You should be ashamed of yourselves, especially if you are Canadian. I am a Canadian; although, in your #$@$ed up paradigm of racial diversity, I am a black/white/jew/christian/muslim/native/foreigner mix. So believe me when I say you are racist. Let me guess, most of you are middle-aged white men (more/less). Read my article on Diversity at trueking7.blogspot.com

Have yourselves a good one. No really. I find your kind to be necessarily racist in order for your very existence. And be humble, last time I checked, it was your kind being RE-RE-integrated back into civilization, again. I say RE-RE-integrated because this is the third time now. You were RE-RE-integrated after your dark ages, when you got your trick-knowledge back, viz., Arabic scholars schooled you with your Greek ancestor's writing (cf. Aristotle), right after they translated it into Latin for you. You were RE-integrated after you learned to walk like man (like how men were walking for millennia before your kind even existed) and were trained enough to be allowed to come do trading with us, the original people of the planet now called Earth/Asia. Your first integration came after your creation on Pelan (or Patmos, an island off the coast of Greece in the Aegean Sea ...as is confirmed in your bibles); it wasn't too long before you were run from the root of civilization (because of all your swine eating, lying, and cheating, viz., Yacoub's trick-knowledge) and into the caves of West Asia, Europe as they now call it. Now you want people to keep their eyes fixed to the sky, searching the heavens for a white jesus/elohim/jehovah/ that does not exist, while you can plot and scheme to steal the earth beneath them with all your deception and lies.

Posted by: True at August 31, 2006 01:45 PM



True: Your a Heinz 57, you must be insulted and calling people racists constantly.You appear to have an insurmountable problem there to dwell on.
The Indians will have to either join us in the civilized world of the 21st century and obey our laws or face Canadian justice as all Canadians do when they break our laws. Thuggery is thuggery no matter who practices it. Their behaviour is dangerous and someone could get killed, already has, remember Ipperwash?

Frankly who gives a damn about being called racist? If it's racist to demand the Indians behave as civilized people and respect the laws of the land which continues to pay big bucks to support them as per Treaties, so be it. Name calling is as juvenile as it gets.

Police action has to be supported by governments at all levels and failing that, call in the special forces of the Army, it's that serious.

Posted by: Biddy at August 31, 2006 03:37 PM



True you are so true where have you been all this time you laid it out like no one can kudos man keep up the good work in keeping these "dudes" in line. You hit it on the head so well that you got one bozo to retract and claim name calling is juvenile even though he is one of the worst offenders as for the others they shut right up. Good job see what happens when the "True" version of these rednecks festers to the top.

Posted by: at September 1, 2006 01:12 AM



On 8/31/06, bob erskine wrote:
You're also a fcuking idiot.On 9/1/06, True wrote:
I "also" am "a f^cKing idiot?" I don't recall calling anyone an idiot, idiot. I believe the term that I used was 'racist', and judging by the tone of both you and your peers, I'm 99% sure that you too are a racist middle-aged white man (more/less) calling me an anti-racist. An ignorant bigot, such as yourself, would do best to advance through the ranks of whatever lodge would accept an unworthy candidate/initiate such as yourself. I don't advocate masonry, per se; however, in the near impossible chance that you should reach the 26th degree, (Prince of Mercy, or Scottish Trinitarian,) or even the 25th degree (Knight of the Brazen Serpent,) perhaps then you would be in a position to call someone, besides yourself, an idiot, idiot. Perhaps then, if you are willing to devote 35-50 years under the study, I would be willing to elucidate some of the finer points concerning the science of life. If you truly are civilized, then I suggest that you start behaving as a civilized mason, i.e., 'like a child, who is humble, drawing no sword to compel others to adopt its beliefs, or to be happy with its hopes. Arid, WAITING with patience to understand the mysteries of Nature and Nature's God hereafter" (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry).

You aren't Bob Erskine of the "Community Policing Advisory Council of Ontario," are you? I would be especially pleased for having handed you your hat, if you are indeed the same Bob. Have a nice day ol' boy! lol--
P.E.A.C.E.
TRUE
http://trueking7.blogspot.com
http://trueking7.blogspot.com/2006/08/in-response-to-caledonia-toughly-worded.html

Supreme Mathematics is key to Understanding the Universe -- the four-sided square truth of one 360 degree circle that is understanding the equality of the cipher to be born complete. The seven-sided 7 is the number of God, I-Self -- the All-Knowing, the All-Wise, the All-Seeing, Master, Ruler, Creator, Owner, and Maker of the Universe, which is everything -- the Sun, the Moon, and the Stars. Knowledge is the foundation and Wisdom is the way; Understanding lets you know that your on your way.

Quoted from Williams, Junior True. (2006, April 23) "The Side Degree." EzineArticles. Retrieved May 29, 2006, from http://ezinearticles.com

PS. Some definitions from m-w to expand your lexicon:
Idiot
Main Entry: id·i·ot
Pronunciation: 'i-dE-&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French ydiote, from Latin idiota ignorant person, from Greek idiOtEs one in a private station, layman, ignorant person, from idios one's own, private; akin to Latin suus one's own -- more at SUICIDE
1 usually offensive : a person affected with idiocy
2 : a foolish or stupid person

Ignorant
Main Entry: ig·no·rant
Pronunciation: 'ig-n(&-)r&ntr>Function: adjective
1 a : destitute of knowledge or education ; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence
2 : UNAWARE, UNINFORMED

Bigot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerancePPS. Please tell your honoured brethren who called me a Heinz 57 that I'd rather be erroneously compared to a mixed breed dog than actually be a grafted snake/devil of the Planet Earth, as indeed you both are.

PPPS. An intelligent man such as yourself must surely find humour in my quoting the words of Albert Pike, head of the Supreme Council of the Thirty Third Degree for the Southern Jurisdiction of the United States, and purported founder of the KKK:
This division is found on the Indian sphere, the Persian, and that Barbaric one which Aben Ezra describes. Each genius of the Decans had a name and special characteristics. They concur and aid in the effects produced by the Sun, Moon, and other planets charged with the administration of the world: and the doctrine in regard to them, secret and august as it was held, was considered of the gravest importance; and its principles, Firmicus says, were not entrusted by the ancients, inspired as they were by the Deity, to any but the Initiates, and to them only with great reserve, and a kind of fear, and when cautiously enveloped with an obscure veil, that they might not come to be known by the profane.

Posted by: True at September 1, 2006 08:45 AM



Hey True, Just a little point I want to make to you.
As you claim to be a bit of all those ethnic\religious groups, most people bloging here are not middle aged white men most defiantly. Most people in Canada are a mix of many such as your-self. For you to sit here and point your finger at everyone posting a racist! I remind you of one thing. There are three fingers pointing back at you.
If you took or after reading this take the time to read both sides very very carefully, then you’ll see that most people are just tired of watching governments give into a group of persons who are more less unlawful in there actions and most of the time don’t hold any merit to back up there extreme actions! (There are even people inside the native communities that would and still want to be governed by the Canadian government, not their own people!)
I am not saying that they don’t deserve something, but the times of approximately 24+ billon dollar payrolls yearly to a group of people that should be self sufficient by this point should come to and end. Another reason from my view is that these groups defy all laws set forth in Canada proclaiming they don’t have to listen to anyone. Now you claim to be a bit of everything and then should appreciate that everyone has to obey the same rules or without missing a beat there would be chaos. If this were not true then Canada should cut this nation into groups of people base on race and then let them have there own governments and governing bodies. As I am sure you are an educated person I am sure you can see the ‘big’ problem with that scenario. The same would be if the Canadian government gave the natives there ‘proclaimed self sovereignty and a third level of government’ which is not only a recipe for problems but its unconstitutional for Canada to let such a thing happen as it states in the first and last re-signing.
I believe (which I would think an educated person like your self would agree) a big problem with what is going on in Canada in regards to the natives and everyone else is – knowledge and information. That is why I think sites like Caledoniawakeupcall.com are need and hope to see more sites like theirs soon popping up.
The truth is that the natives are going to have to learn to live without having the government of Canada paying their way all the way. As more people take notice to what is happening, the more scrutiny the Canadian government will come under by the other 30+ million people inside the wonderful country.
The Tides Of Change Are Upon Us!!

Posted by: True Canadian at September 1, 2006 09:45 AM



PEACE

1) The wilderness of North America was stolen from the Amerindians; we so-called Canadians do not own the land.

2) The Queen of England holds no sovereignty over my person.

3) Gone are the days where racists admit to be racist. Now they just pay lip service to ideals like 'Diversity', which is nothing more than a floccinaucinihilipilification.

4) I don't expect many to agree with me; the mostly-ignorant-masses have been, are, and will forever be just that, mostly ignorant.

5) Canadian Law is null and void in comparison to natural law. With our current troop commitment in Afghanistan, policing the opium trade, Canada is no position to go about further alienating the natives whose land was stolen from them. Canadian justice is farce; it is nothing more than British common law relived with a distinctly American twist, hypocrisy.

6) Know your history, not his-story: As far as I am concerned, the treaties to which you refer have no legal standing

7) If you insist on considering this land yours, then you should be prepared to reap what you sow. Here's some advice: Go into Caledonia with guns blazing. Kill you some Indian [sic] savages. Use your news media to cover up your crimes with some clever spin that puts the blame on the poor natives. Prepare to roll over in your grave when some descendent of theirs goes and commits some terrorist act against your descendants.

8) According to natural law, whosoever strikes the first blow is wrong and is liable to make the reparations. The treaties to which you refer afford native Canadians little besides money for them to squander on the drugs and alcohol that we bestowed upon them.

9) These protestors are protesting because they feel they are right. You all sound like you feel they are wrong. I am taking neither side because I find this issue to be non-relevant. My only concern is with ignorant the dehumanizing slurs that have been posted on this site, and echoed by the majority of its visitors.

PEACE,
TRUE

P.S. I am still waiting for some smart ass to make a comment regarding my statement that middle-aged white men are “necessarily racist.” Am I to believe that everyone is in agreement on that point?

QUOTE: “There’s nothing wrong with black people honey. Just don’t do bringing home some R Kelly for dinner!”

Posted by: True at September 1, 2006 03:09 PM



True, I am with you and I say posters like true canadian are blind with their colonial ideological bulls**t they can never will ever see another's point of view. He does not speak for me as I too am tired of posters like him spewing their racist remarks then when someone like you enters the scene and starts kicking their asses they claim that their remarks are made to represent those who are tired of governments who conform to and recognize the arguments of other races. They seemed not to have a problem with it when the governments were forming policies and objectives with middle aged white men's advantages in mind. Three fingers are being pointed back at you True well they can point those same three at myself as I stand by your comments too. As to his claim that most posting here are a mixture, sure, by the way the comments go they are probably scots, irish, english, french, austrian and so on and so forth. So True, please if you would, commence with the ass kicking.

Posted by: at September 1, 2006 09:24 PM



I will be brief:

As I have already stated and will again so everyone here can read it again. I do not hate the natives of Canada and in no way do I want them to be ‘exterminated!’ so to all the posters here who say they are more educated when replying to my posts please work on taking your foot out of your mouth when you are saying things like ‘guns blazing’ and so on and so forth. You speak about terrorist actions in the future, what about over the last six months. (If you look in the past how the natives have acted in there ‘peaceful protests) If you take the time to glance over the terrorist act of Canada you’ll all see that the actions being committed and have been committed fall under the terrorist act. Now to claim sovereignty you (natives) are a nation declaring war on Canada! Just something for you to chew on for awhile.

If the Natives in Canada want to be a sovereign nation, I don’t object to it by any means as long as they start acting like one! (I’ll say it again START ACTING LIKE ONE!) If the proclaimed ‘first nations’ want sovereignty then they must do the following:
• Set up border crossings onto and off there reserves
• All current funding and support from the Canadian government and Canadians stops as they are their own nation and now must be 100% self reliant on them selves for survival. (this includes land claims that have not yet been processed. To be realistic and honest; the natives will never get all of Canada under any circumstance. Therefore the bands will have to be realistic and maybe a little more efficient with how they use their land!)
• Must set up their own government and laws to be followed by their people. (their laws will only hold merit on their lands and thief lands alone)
• If a native is in Canada and not in his\her own nations land. Then that person is subject to the full extent of the Canadian Law and vise versa.
• The natives must set up their own postage, currency, ect.

The above list is just the beginning of what the natives would have to do to become a sovereign nation. Do keep in mind that under the Indian act and constitution of Canada it dose state there will never be a sovereign nation separate of Canada inside Canadian borders. The above listed is just to entertain the idea.

Oh and a final note: to both true and the other posters. I do agree with some points you make in your arguments, but as I am sure you know as I do there will always be differences in opinions and we have to appreciate that.

Posted by: True Canadian at September 4, 2006 11:23 AM



Also if you go and ask individual natives\native groups in Canada, allot of them don’t want to be governed by their people and would rather be governed by the Canadian government. To prove that point there is a law suite going on in British Columbia as we all type regarding a group in upper British Columbia that was granted sovereignty over governing their own people in that area. (Many consider this to be a void treaty due to how unconstitutional terms are) The individual bands have requested to be exempted from the treaty and want to be governed by the Canadian Government stating that their own people do not know how to run and operate their own governing body 100% independently and effectively.
For more examples please feel free to take a dart and through it at a map of Canada, then go to the nearest reserve and you’ll see the results of poor control and management on their part. If these groups had control of all the land in Canada, their reserves today might be a little bit of foreshadowing of what Canada might look like! The people who claim to protect this land from harm need to lead by example in keeping there own lands\air\water clean.

Posted by: True Canadian at September 4, 2006 11:45 AM



...somewhere in the middle of this mess is the answer.

So far, I can't see it with all the triad going on.

Posted by: tomax7 at September 4, 2006 12:22 PM