A white man's worst nightmare
From a reader who calls himself awhitemansworstnightmare (aka "Six Nations Resident, and Pround as hell to be native"), who posted this comment on June 24, 2006 at 3:46 PM:
I read alot of the stuff you creeps have on this website. Is this a KKK website? Of all the artcles and comments i read, not one had nething good to say about natives.
First things first. Thanks for coming by. I'm glad I'm being read by both sides in this conflict. I hope you keep coming back, and that you participate in the discussions.
Moving on, I'm not sure why you think you are the "white man's worst nightmare". As a man with children, my worst nightmare is probably very similar to the worst nightmare of all fathers regardless of their race or creed. If you are thinking of some lesser nightmare that is somehow a function of my skin colour, I suppose the worst nightmare of the white man is the same as the worst nightmare of the black man or the red man (I'm keeping with the colour motif, even though "redskin" has falling out of favour in modern parlance, and thankfully so). That is to be punished for something he can't help -- the colour of his skin.
Is that who you are? A person who seeks out and hurts white people just for being white? I suppose that would make you a white man's worst nightmare. Must keep you pretty busy, though. So many white men, women, and children out there...but then you said "white man's nightmare", so perhaps you have limits. Or maybe you just thought "white person's nightmare" sounded clumsy and therefore not as threatening (and you'd be right).
But back to the question of punishment. I don't mind being punished for something I have done. I would like to the see the protesters punished for the things they have done. But I don't want anyone punished just because they are white, or aboriginal.
And the same goes in the other direction. I don't want anyone to avoid punishment just because they are white, or aboriginal.
As for whether this is a Klan site, I can assure you the Klan would not have me. As a Polish Catholic, I would be no more welcome in their ranks than you, anti-Catholicism being a founding principle of the Klan.
But I suppose when you want to make a critical point, it always helps to toss out the accusation of racism. Trying to get the other guy to start apologizing and backtracking just to avoid the label, eh?
Ain't going to happen here. I know I'm not a racist. Just harshly critical of criminal behaviour, especially when it appears to be institutionalized.
Don't confuse harshly critical with racism. When you equate the two, you shut down criticism. Shutting down criticism is the mark of the Fascist.
[And some friendly advice. Drop the "creeps". It doesn't bother me -- name-calling rarely does -- which makes it a wasted effort on your part. It also makes you look petty, which means that should you decide to contribute something substantive to the discussion, people might ignore you, and that would be a shame. But hey, if that's your style and it works for you, carry on.]
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Aw, come on, Steve, really. I sense a pot and kettle contest here. Wasn't it you yourself who just finished going after a certain union leader who had dared be critical of the Israeli state* by suggesting that his next move would be to flog the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion in Ontario schools? In other words, you would shut him down by calling him an anti-Semite.
*I have no idea why you object to this terminology. It's the state, not the people, who are being criticized. The word "Israel" refers, confusingly, to both. We both know that there are a lot of Israelis who disagree strongly with what the state of Israel is doing.
Posted by: Dr.Dawg at June 24, 2006 09:01 PM
Years ago, I worked with natives on a job in northern Saskatchewan, shared camp rooms with them, ate three meals a day with them, hung out with them in the evenings, I used to pick up native hitchhikers and sometimes drove out of my way to drop them off. I even had a relationship for a while with a woman who is half-Cree. Those days are long gone, I got the modern message, I'm a "white man".
Posted by: anon at June 24, 2006 09:04 PM
I have no sympathy for aboriginals...they are becoming our worst enemy...worse than Al Quaida...there will come a day when when need to decide in favour of our own survival, and napalm the indian reservations because they are staging an insurgence through them...sneaking weapons, gangster casinos, underground tobacco and cocaine and heroine...either they become citizens and abide the law or they should be exterminated.
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Posted by: David Lockwood at June 24, 2006 09:41 PM
Um, David. I believe believe that what the natives are doing is wrong on many levels but I believe that your comments are way out to lunch. First of all people should never be treated as you described. Eliminating any person is wrong. Thus the question turns to how can these problems be solved? Can they be solved by buying the land from a developer and jsut giving in? Of course not,. It can only be solved by BOTH sides listening to the law and when one does not it means that extraordinary measures must be taken to resolve the issue. But if you give in then you will have a hundred reserves doing the same thing. One group is saying it owns the entire city of Ottawa. Now does that make sence. When Harris told the OPP to deal with the problem idd it happen again? NO IT DIDNT. 10 Years without crap like that happening. Now theis damn smart government comes in and suddenly they are telling the natives that they can PROFIT fromt his behaviour. Does this make sense? Damn I wish we had Harris back so that this can be settled where it belongs. This entire occupation is crap. They have papers proving that the land was sold. The judge wknows this and that was why he ordered them off the land but McGuinty continues to tell teh OPP to do nothing. Leasership is teh problem in this Province, we have none!
Posted by: Deepthinker at June 24, 2006 10:57 PM
Yeah, yeah, yeah, "white man's worst nightmare" (give me a break).
Big f**kin' deal. Native activists have been spouting this "tough guy" B.S. for as long as I can remember.
All they ever do is blockade a few roads - - IN THE SUMMER! Why is it that you "tough guys" never blockade roads in January? Gee, it might be a little uncomfortable on your soft little tootsies to be standing around in minus 30 wouldn't it?
Also, why is it whenever we see news photos of these blockades you dipshits always have ski masks on or your faces covered with bandanas? I mean I thought big tough native protestors like you wouldn't be afraid to show your faces.
I remember Oka. When the army showed up the big tough guys ran behind the women and children because they knew the army wouldn't force their way through women & kids.
Do you remember that famous Maclean's cover photo with the Indian and soldier staring at each other? The soldier stood toe to toe with the indian, no mask no sunglasses. The indian had on both. Big man, having a stare down with somebody while wearing shades. (I guess he didn't want the soldier to see him blink). Yep, a "real tough guy". Who had more balls in THAT confrontation? The answer is pretty clear.
So keep up the bluster "nightmare". Who gives a sh*t?
Posted by: John at June 24, 2006 11:02 PM
Pretty much sums it up John
Posted by: RNC at June 24, 2006 11:42 PM
Sounds like a troll to me.
Posted by: Pat at June 25, 2006 02:53 AM
A well-reasoned rebuttal, Steve.
One reason I continue to link to and quote from your site.( Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information... )
Posted by: backhoe at June 25, 2006 04:08 AM
The rule of law is the rule of law. It has to be that way if we want to live in a uncorrupt society. That even-handedness of law is precisely how minorities receive equal and fair treatment.
We "creeps" are insisting that the Province of Ontario uphold the law, for the benefit of all. A thinking person will realize that the Liberal Party of Ontario, just like the federal Liberal Party, has tipped into the abyss. Oaths of office have been breached.
We know who the creeps are in this case. They are the vandals, thugs, intimidators, scofflaws and self-serving marginal members of society running about with flags and bandanas. Whether their cause is just or not is now overshadowed by their unilateral behavior. Beyond lacking intelligence, we find that reprehensible and call upon our authorities to act in accordance with the powers invested in them.
Posted by: Shaken at June 25, 2006 07:47 AM
"Of all the artcles and comments i read, not one had nething good to say about natives"
Perhaps the lawless public behaviour of natives, the corruption of native leadership and the criminality of the native mafia ( warrior clans) has something to do with it?
However, to put the "single" positive comment on this site about natives, to placate your paper thin sensitivities, I will be eternally grateful to Elijah Harper for being instrumental in killing the Meech Lake Accord.
Posted by: wlyonmackenzie at June 25, 2006 07:48 AM
Personal friend of mine is a Navajo. I've got an awesome Navajo rug her aunt made for us hanging on my wall right now.
Here's a woman whose husband was murdered when they were both really young. Mother murdered. Brother's in jail for killing four people with his truck, drunk off his ass. Sister's kids are little drug addicts.
She is a physician. In school she was dead comitted to doing medicine on the Rez "for her people". Got her degree, did her residency, moved back to the Rez and lasted six frickin' months before she couldn't take the abuse anymore and moved to Montanna. Not on the Rez either, workin' in the White Man's world, you bet.
Let that little slice of reality enlighten "awhitemansworstnightmare" and anybody else who thinks Da White Man is the guy making life hard for the Red Man.
By the way, my worst nightmare is not some pissant I can fight one on one. Dalton McGuinty, now that guy scares the hell out of me.
Posted by: The Phantom at June 25, 2006 09:10 AM
I'm with you Phantom: Duh-lton McGuilty scares the Hell out of me, too. I live in Ontario, and to my credit, I did not vote for the Liberals.
Duh-lton is a dolt and a phantom (apologies to you, Phantom). When you need him, he's nowhere to be found, and then when he emerges from the ether, he does things which are absolutely incomprehensible: So now Ontarians own the development that the Six Nations disapproved of. Now what? Is Duh-lton going to give in to all of the SN's demands, demands they have pressed by illegal blockades and criminal activities?
Does that mean, that if the government aids and abets thugs and criminals by giving into all of their demands, that all any group needs to do in Ontario to win their case is to allege wrongdoing on the part of the other party, occupy the other party's territory/land, intimidate and harrass anyone who disagrees with the claim, ensure that law enforcers (aka the OPP) lay not a finger on the occupiers, and voila, you're in like Flint and to Hell with law and order?
It sure seems like lawlessness, chaos, and anarchy reign in Ontario. And where is Duh-lton? As usual, nowhere to be found. He should be giving press conferences every day to keep Ontarians abreast of what's going on, of what needs to happen, of how his government is going to clean up this sorry mess.
'Doesn't look like this is going to happen...'Only in Canada, you say?
What a mess.
Posted by: new kid on the block at June 25, 2006 09:43 AM
Look, let's ignore everything for a second and just focus on this one statement: the law is supposed to be colour blind. Clearly there are some concerns held by the native protestors in Caledonia. But there are better ways to get them addressed than by engaging in outright criminal behaviour as some have.
We're all Canadians, equal before the law. It's not racist to suggest that if you commit a crime, you should go to jail for it. The idea that racism comes into the Caledonia dispute is a red herring that distracts from the real issues that need to be examined. If I burn a bridge, I should go to jail for it - so should an aboriginal person if he or she does the same. I'd venture that it's racist to punish people differently for the same crime based upon their 'race' - so why, other than the fact that McGuinty is afraid of another Ipperwash, haven't some of the Caledonia protestors been arrested?
Posted by: Dante at June 25, 2006 01:13 PM
The native leaders worst fear is that one day aboriginals will be treated as human beings equal in every way to other human beings. And it's not that they(the leaders) will be treated worse but that they will no longer be treated better.
Posted by: Moneybags4me at June 25, 2006 01:36 PM
I'm hoping to start a trend - please let's start calling Ontario's premier "Duh-lton McWimpy".
Posted by: Steve at June 25, 2006 01:50 PM
Dante,
The aboriginals do not consider themselves Canadians. They consider them selves an independent nation. Caledonia is not an Ontario problem, it is an international incident. My understanding is that the Six Nations "protesters" consider all of the land on the original grant theirs therefore anything that happens is subject to the Great Law not Canadian law. As long as the Six Nations legal system is not objecting to what is going on in Caledonia then, to the "protesters" what is going on in Caledonia is not illegal.
Posted by: jgriffin at June 25, 2006 02:51 PM
Steve, you have not posted anything openly racist on your site; however, your site and other prominent conservative sites frequently have racist comments posted in your comments section. An aborginal could very easily surf this site and assume it was of the KKK variety - a consequence of allowing open comments, one supposes. Also you know that when you criticize Aboriginal protesters or Afrocentric educators you are going to attract racist elements (the same way those blogs critical Israel's behaviour in the middle east attract antisemitic commenters). All publicity is good publicity, right?
Posted by: Cynapse at June 25, 2006 05:19 PM
jgriffin that is ridiculous. It doesn't matter what the Indians have convinced themselves of they are Canadians and this is a Canadian problem that one way or another will be solved by Canadians.
Posted by: Moneybags4me at June 25, 2006 05:31 PM
My God, I actually agree with Angry about something. Someone shoot me quick before I turn in to a religion peddling, tax cut whoring, economy bankrupting, homophobe!
What's next, me agreeing with Small Dead Animals? *shudder*
Posted by: Hishighness at June 25, 2006 05:45 PM
Also you know that when you criticize Aboriginal protesters or Afrocentric educators you are going to attract racist elements (the same way those blogs critical of Israel's behaviour in the middle east attract antisemitic commenters).
Well, anyone critical of Israel is anti-Semitic by definition, right? Has a stack of The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion all ready to hand out to school kids?
Posted by: Dr.Dawg at June 25, 2006 06:00 PM
I'll shoot you!! Don't worry I'll do it! Clean kill! First shot! Give me your name & address! Pick me! Pick me!
Posted by: John at June 25, 2006 06:01 PM
The Native activists have far too much time on their hands. According to them they own all the land in the Country. Who developed the land? Who built the Country we now call Canada? How long has it been since the Indians lived in teepees and lived off the land completely? How many of these people would have survived without all the technologies, medical discoveries to save lives in the modern society which has evolved since the Country formed? They are making full use of everything the modern society has and spitting in our faces at every opportunity and frankly most of us have had about enough. The governments at all levels had better rein them in and demand they behave as all citizens of Canada are obliged to do in a civilized nation. If they can't get along with all the perks afforded them, tough. Don't bother pulling the racist card, it's bogus and nothing more than the last refuge of scoundrels. Shameful.
Posted by: Liz Jackson at June 25, 2006 06:47 PM
It is worth remembering that the pejorative "Indian giver" entered the lexicon because our ancestors could immediately identify with the truth lying behind the statement.
Posted by: Dave at June 25, 2006 07:18 PM
Money bags,
Ridiculous or not that is what they believe from what I am able to determine. They have some evidence of at least their non-Canadian status to back them up.
1. They were an independent nation when they given their original grants and reserves.
2. National governments negotiate treaties with them. Not as private citizens but as equals.
3. They do not pay Canadian taxes, as Canada is a foreign nation.
The list goes on but I won't bore you with it. That said, I have some simple questions for the SN and any other band receiving Canadian tax dollars.
1. If Canada has not received this land in perpetuity then why is Canada paying over eight billion dollars a year for it?
2. If Canada has not received this land in perpetuity then why was it necessary to set aside reserves for your future generations?
3. If you are a sovereign nation then why is Canada responsible for your well being?
4. If you are a sovereign nation then why are you not recognized by any legitimate government?
5. If you are not Canadian then why do you travel on a Canadian passport?
Posted by: jgriffin at June 25, 2006 10:30 PM
Dawg, I'll tell you what. You go down to Caledonia and check out what those Warrior Society a-holes are doing in person like I did on Friday, and then maybe your opinion will be a little more informed.
From my brief look, it seems quite obvious they have created an armed camp and are preparing more as time goes by. You want pictures, I've got pictures.
What kind of people create an armed camp on land that is NOT theirs in a sleepy little Ontario town where nothing ever happens? I don't think it racist to suggest they are criminal scum.
Posted by: The Phantom at June 26, 2006 09:02 AM
Steve, you have not posted anything openly racist on your site; however, your site and other prominent conservative sites frequently have racist comments posted in your comments section.
I suppose that's true, but then I don't see myself as wise enough to pass judgment. I'll let the marketplace of ideas take care of that, deciding what comments are worth debating, deserve to be ignored, or need to be seriously flamed.
Posted by: Steve Janke at June 26, 2006 09:12 AM
Okay jgriffin, now your making sense particularly your questions. They can't have it both ways.
The politicians for too long have been letting them think that they can.
Posted by: Moneybags4me at June 26, 2006 10:14 PM
Not understanding this issue and attempting to deal with it is a quick way to civil war, which is a real possibility.
The treaties signed state what our responsibility is to aboriginal people while we are permitted to live off thier land.
However, the fact they live in squalor is just as much a stain on the Chiefs as it is on the Canadian Government.
Jim Prentice is a smart guy, he understands these distinctions, and I'm sure will target investment in particular areas.
Now if only the accountability act didn't get softened up for the Chiefs. I've only ever met one Chief who wasn't crooked.
Posted by: Lore_Weaver at June 27, 2006 12:56 AM
Aw, come on, Steve, really. I sense a pot and kettle contest here. Wasn't it you yourself who just finished going after a certain union leader who had dared be critical of the Israeli state* by suggesting that his next move would be to flog the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion in Ontario schools? In other words, you would shut him down by calling him an anti-Semite.
Conservatives have their own client minorities as well now. Blacks and natives are still fair game for punishment but Jews are off limits (lest you be called antisemitic). It seems that liberals and conservatives continue to steal from one other's playbooks - group identity reigns.
Posted by: Cynapse at June 27, 2006 07:41 AM
Here you can leave your mark
Posted by: billie at July 5, 2006 06:02 PM
 
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