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The GO Transit Hacker: What to do?

Some reaction on the story of the GO Transit hacker.




From reader William, concerning the GO Transit hacker:

I hope Exclusive Advertising sues the ass off that little prick of a commie.

Yes, William, but how do you really feel?

Whether the hacker turns out to be Joshua, or someone else, there is the interesting question of what to do. A slap on the wrist? A crushing lawsuit? The full weight of fines and other penalties that the law allows? Or just ignore this tiny flea on the body of Canadian political expression?

Does the argument that punishment only feeds his desire for attention make sense, and even if it does, does it matter?

And what about repercussions? Does doing nothing encourage others? Does a serious legal response make a martyr out of him?

Any thoughts?


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Make him eat a baby?

Posted by: john g at May 4, 2006 05:17 PM



The transit company should sue him.
Sue him for what it would have cost to advertise his "message" on the trains plus the cost of the potenial lost advertising for any messages that were suppoed to be displayed while his scrolled plus the cost of the investigation plus legal fees. Sue him right into bankruptcy

Posted by: Darren at May 4, 2006 05:55 PM




The first thing that should happen is that this outdated technology be removed from the trains.
If the perp broke a law he should be charged. After being fined he should be thanked for alerting the people who need to know that this could have been a lot worse. When you think of the alarming things that could have been scrolling as opposed to the nonsense that he actually decided to put on, well, it makes you go phew! That was a close call!

Posted by: steve d. at May 4, 2006 06:33 PM



You just wish someone hated you enough to put you on the GO train. How many hits would that mean?

I don't see that this stunt has hurt Harper at all.

Posted by: Bowie at May 4, 2006 06:43 PM



He'll probably get a senate seat between Keith Boag and Paul Hunter.

Posted by: EBD at May 4, 2006 06:44 PM



Charge him? No, just let civil justice work its way. I'd expect him to be sued, to be offered terms of settlement including restitution, for him to accept sheepishly and for the technological loophole to be closed. Just another day in the big city.

PS. Dani elle seemed hot.

Posted by: cynical joe at May 4, 2006 07:37 PM



At best, this constitutes public mischief - a slap on the wrist. The punishment will be considered based on the accused's, whomever that may be, criminal record, if any, in the past.

He, its always a he in this kinds of affairs, could be ordered to pay damages to the company who provides the screens as well. It won't be much; a few thousand dollars at the most.

I doubt the person responsible did this for some "commie" motivation as your commentors (inevitably and always) suggest. The person responsible was looking to send a message that would attract the most attention - to himself and his "cleverness". He would likely have had a similar slur against Paul Martin if he was still in office.

Posted by: Treehugger at May 4, 2006 09:22 PM



"The full weight of fines and other penalties that the law allows?" Surely you jest...

This woman is free after serving five years for leaving her two infant children to die a horrible death while she partied:

http://tinyurl.com/pl2ce

Meanwhile the Toronto Star is showing uncharacteristic concern fpr taxpayers because, they claim, the “new Conservative government’s get-tough-on-crime legislation could prove to be tough on taxpayers…”

http://tinyurl.com/rj2ag

Somehow, in the great scheme of things, some of us see more significant ways to “get tough on crime” than pursuing the person who pulled this electronic prank.

Posted by: Drained Brain at May 4, 2006 10:07 PM



AMEN Drained Brain...jesus H christ but it was a damn prank, anyone getting upset really needs to get a life.

Posted by: at May 5, 2006 12:36 AM



"Somehow, in the great scheme of things, some of us see more significant ways to “get tough on crime” than pursuing the person who pulled this electronic prank."

Believe it or not, the Canadian justice system can do multiple things at once. Included in that multi-tasking is vigorously prosecuting a vandal-and that's what this person is-and, if convicted, levying whatever jail time and/or fines are allowed within the statutes violated.

That's called "accountability"...Since in a democracy, nobody is above the Rule of Law. That includes everyone from Prime Ministers to tech-punks.

Posted by: Dave at May 5, 2006 08:22 AM



Um... while you're rocking the universe of investigative journalists back on their heinies for failing to give all the attention to this idiotic story that you seem to feel it deserves, Cindy Sheehan just popped by yesterday to tell the Government of Canada what it should be doing, or not doing, in Afghanistan.

Any thoughts on that or are you busy preparing a devastating analysis of the link between Joshua's alleged hack and your discovery that he buys Denver Hayes briefs at Mark's Work Wearhouse?

Just wondering.

Posted by: Sqrat at May 5, 2006 09:10 AM



I say we crucify him because by gosh, we wouldn't anyone to think we had a sense of humour.

Posted by: Ade at May 5, 2006 09:39 AM



Let the punishment fit the crime. He's seeking attention. IGNORE him.

Sheehan, on the other hand, needs our help. If she wants to be involved with setting our foreign policy, she should move to Canada, apply for citizenship and run for public office. Otherwise, STFU

Posted by: Rob R at May 5, 2006 09:58 AM



Poster Darren pretty well says what kind of result I would like to see..

Why..? Lets see now..

I am a conservative, and I'm sick and tired of all the deliberate lies portraying all conservatives as evil.
Liberals and their socialist brothers are promoting hate against conservatives.
Why is that acceptable?
Why are my political beliefs,
ridiculed with hate?
There is something wrong with this picture.

It's time people like myself take a stand.
Whoever did that sign thing, needs to face the music, if we allow this to continue, well then Goebells will have been proven right..(repeat a lie often enough and it will become the truth)

The liberals, NDP, and the Main Stream Media in this country all practice Goebells dictum.
If this continues I will certainly go ballistic.
We conservatives have to fight back, we have to counter socialist lies with the truth.
Some consider me a conservative troll, I was at a well known leftist sight the other day, and they deliberatly tried to blame the conservatives, as the reason immigration officers were going after the children of illegal immigrants, I kindly called them the LIARS they are and reminded them that it was the liberals who appointed these people and set policy long before Harper had any say in said policy.
These kinds of lies are everywhere, I can't watch a news cast without being lied to about conservative policy, when I was very young, my father told me
...(don't believe everything you read in the newspapers)...he was so right...!

We need new laws for the media in this country,
something along the lines of truth in advertising, the opinion being reported as fact in our media is nothing more than propaganda.
When will it end?

You're opinion means nothing unless you can back it up with fact.. it's time for conservatives to speak-up...if we don't, if we allow these lies to go unchallenged....we will deserve our fate.!

Posted by: William at May 5, 2006 10:03 AM



William,

You're sounding like a victim. Buck up. The left is getting their collective asses kicked. Their smears and lies are only helping their demise.

Posted by: Irwin Daisy at May 5, 2006 10:21 AM



No .. Irwin, I am NOT a victim, but I am seriously thinking of becoming a revolutionary.

There really is a war of ideologies going on.
Here in Canada the left has been winning, Trudeau's vision of a soviet-style utopia is alive and well, and being shoved down our throats, by the likes of The Red Star, the CBC and many other left-wing media.

God help us all if they are successfull.

Posted by: William at May 5, 2006 10:53 AM



Don't get me wrong, Angry. You've done some great sleuthing here, but it's time to move forward to more pressing matters - perhaps discussion of such great oxymorons as The Canadian Medical System and The Canadian Justice System.

Please remember, though, we conservatives are the ones with a sense of humor, unlike the Angry Left.

Even this angry conservative from awhile back was known for his wit:

http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html

Posted by: Drained Brain at May 5, 2006 11:06 AM



Does it bother any of you "so-called" conservatives that the government is shelling out my tax dollars to pay for useless military hardware, vote buying programs(raising welfare etc) and only reducing the GST as oppose to abolishing it entirely?

Posted by: Citizen of the Great White North at May 5, 2006 11:16 AM



That's right! Get those conservatives for not completely eliminating the GST.

Man, getting rid of the GST & going into defecit spending is the way to good conservative rule in Canada!

Posted by: Adune at May 5, 2006 12:16 PM



Who fucking cares about Josh. Your precious Conservatives have just dropped a joke of a budget, care to comment on what really matters?

Posted by: Aaron at May 5, 2006 12:51 PM



CitzenGWN,

You socialists are precious. It always makes my heart soar to see idiotic rantings like yours as it's the type of rhetoric that will insure you and yours stay out of power for a long time.

Quiz
Who went on a billion dollar a day vote buying spree before the second last confidence vote and, again, before the last election?
Answer: Paul Martin

Who gutted the military and purchased luxury jets from their Bombardier buddies while ancient Sea-Kings were falling out of the sky?
Answer: Jean Chretien

Who promised to abolish the GST?
Answer: Jean Chretien

Who promised to reduce the GST?
Answer: Stephen Harper

Now for the biggie. Careful on this one, CGWN.
Who kept his promise?

Posted by: Rob R at May 5, 2006 01:05 PM



Steve D "When you think of the alarming things that could have been scrolling as opposed to the nonsense that he actually decided to put on, well, it makes you go phew! That was a close call!

Could have said something against a Liberal or the NDP. Phew indeed!
enough

Posted by: enough at May 5, 2006 07:38 PM



Potty mouth Aaron and Citizen are really grasping at straws, aren't they?

Useless military equipment? I suppose, if you think that airplanes that can be used to save lives all across Canada and the world are useless. Who would want that?

Citizen, you're probably in line with those morons who are protesting Operation Charging Bison, in which we train our soldiers to be careful in urban theatres of war. Yeah, that's horrible thing to do... train soldiers to protect themselves. Gotta love you lefty twits.

By the way, only reducing the GST? I'm sorry, I must have missed the previous decade and a half, where the Libs said they'd eliminate it completely.

Let's compare:

Liberals -- Promise to eliminate it, get elected, do nothing.
Conservatives -- Promise to reduce it, get elected, reduce it.

Huh. If that's the best you got, Harper is doing one heckuva job.

And Aaron, maybe when you can converse like a big boy, we'll take you seriously. Until then, stick to your crayons.

Posted by: Yukon Gold at May 5, 2006 08:41 PM



enough
Yeah,that's the scary part alright. That's why we have to nip it in the bud.

Posted by: steve d. at May 5, 2006 08:52 PM



One thing for sure--Joshua has a great future in the LPOC ahead of him.

Posted by: George at May 5, 2006 09:24 PM



Man, getting rid of the GST & going into defecit spending is the way to good conservative rule in Canada!

Does it ever occur to Liberals that maybe we could, you know, cut spending to compensate for the cut in taxes? Or that maybe, just maybe, cutting taxes would increase economic growth that would, over the long term actually result in bigger surpluses?

Guess not. Economics is a science and liberals are averse to facts, after all.

Posted by: Regis at May 5, 2006 11:38 PM



Regis
Conservative economics is a special kind of science. We had it in Ontario and what it did was collapse our infrastructure, download Provincial responsibilities on to the cities and put us in big debt.
Harper has started the tax cutting. Next will come the off-loading of responsibilities and then perhaps the debt will be shared by the over burdened provinces and underfinanced Federal government.
Small government has its place, and that place is third world countries.

Posted by: steve d. at May 6, 2006 01:05 PM



This is the message Jushua should have posted:

Ignatieff said, and I quote:

** I am tired of getting into taxicabs and speaking with people who have as many degrees as I have. It is time to get these people out of the cabs and into the labs **

Well didn*t Ignatieff just shoot himself in the foot here? Harper just arrived. Is it the Liberal party who have been in power for thirteen years? Then it must be liberal party policy that has people who should be in Labs driving cabs.

Oh, can*t resist pointing to one*s degrees, eh Ignatieff?


Bob Rae Said, and I quote.

**It is Harper and the conservatives who are our opponents, and it is Harper and the conservatives who we have to defeat.**

This brilliant flash is so pathetic, that I need say nothing. It defines the speaker*s insight value at zero.


These are the two leading contenders for the Liberal Party. I fear for the total demise of the Liberals.

That would give Jack Flash and the Natural Dipstick Party no one to split their vote with, unless the Greens made sudden strides forward.

This is not sniping . I merely point to the Liberal*s open flank in hopes of a stronger Liberal Party. We Canadian voters deserve far better quality and sharpness from those who want to pilot this ship that is Canada.

Chretien and Martin got sloppy and slipped to within inches of Niagra Falls. We can not afford to get this close to going over the edge again. TG

Posted by: TonyGuitar at May 6, 2006 01:28 PM



This wouldn't have made the news if he had spray painted it on a wall. In the end it's just a tech story with an opinion attached. There won't be any criminal punishment for it, so let the ad company sue him and move on. Just my 2 cents...

Posted by: Angry Canadian at May 6, 2006 02:31 PM



"Small government has its place, and that place is third world countries."

You've got to be kidding, Steve! Actually the reverse is true and it's part of the reason many stay as third world countries.

Bloated, inefficient and corrupt bureacracies are a hallmark of both large and small developing and third world countries.

By your reasoning an 'enlightened' country would have everyone working for government. Oh wait. We already do that from Jan. 1st to July 1st.

Posted by: Randy at May 6, 2006 02:45 PM



Randy
You should have noticed by now that inefficient and corrupt bureaucracies are not confined to government, and yes, you pay for those too.

We need bureaucracies so the answer is to be vigilant. You can have huge bureaucracies like Toyota and be efficient and lawful, or you can have large bureaucracies like Enron or Worldcom and be the opposite. With good leadership, management and good corporate ethics, the size of the bureaucracy is a non-issue. It only becomes an issue when leadership fails.
That is why so many large and small countries and companies struggle. Good management anticipates and takes care of their responsibilities, which if you look closely, are always responsibilities to people both employees and customers of which only a portion have voting rights.

Posted by: steve d. at May 6, 2006 03:33 PM



Steve d You are improving. Must be the company you keep on this site. That bit seems quite accepatble. No reaching too far and reactive emotion kept to a minimum.

I will reserve judgement on whether the size of bureaucracy is a non-issue though TG

Posted by: TonyGuitar at May 6, 2006 10:21 PM



TonyGuitar
If the bureacracy is successfully operating people are not too concerned with its size. It is only when they don't work as advertised that size suddenly becomes an issue. Besides running a large country or organization with a small bureacracy has never been done.

Posted by: steve d. at May 7, 2006 10:45 AM



There is a simple way to get rid of deficit spending and the debt. We need to finance the operation of the Federal government in the lawful creation of the money supply by the Federal government at little or no interest as is set out in the Constitution(BNA Act which is still part of it). Our Federal government has to take back this right that it gave to private Banks and stop borrowing from them at high interest rates. Our debt is only interest owed to private Banks, a situation that was created by our Federal government not exercising it`s legal right to create the Nations money at little or no interest. When this happens we can be debt free and have all the benefits of the money thaat is going into the hands of private Banks that are reaping record profits through legalized theft of our Nations wealth

Posted by: at May 7, 2006 12:30 PM



Now I find that so appealing. It*s a shame there is no signature. I am an instant fan and would seek out similar diamonds in future, except with no signature, I wouldn*t know where to start. TG

Posted by: TonyGuitar at May 7, 2006 02:13 PM



It can be an anonymous handle. Something like treasury insider, or bank trustee, or conservative professor...etc. TG

Posted by: TonyGuitar at May 7, 2006 02:17 PM



We don't have deficit spending at the moment. We have been picking away at the debt slowly. We could create our own money but I don't think the Americans would allow it. If we started taking control of our nation I am afraid a lot of "free" loading enterprisers would have the CIA in here stirring things up the way they have been in the Middle East and Central and South America for so long.

Posted by: steve d. at May 7, 2006 02:38 PM



Rob R and Yukon Gold,

Socialist? Me? You're nuts. Judging by your line of thinking anyone who is against the system is a liberal. Classic sympton of a statist mu***fker. Man, you need to read more. The world is not made up only "liberals" and "conservatives" statists like you jokers.
There are those of us "the true conservatives" who believe in the reduction or possibly complete nullification of the government. Do any of you "tokes" see that happening with the current praetorians? No! Yet here you are cheering for them. You are no conservatives. You're NEOCONS!
The problem is the system not who runs it. You mofo shills are just cheerleaders for a bad system. And it will continue to be bad as long as moronic lemmings like you continue to apologise for them.
Socialist+Liberal+Conservatives(you two and the rest of the shills for this government) should be jettisoned into space.

Abolish the GST now and possibly the half of the ministries. Reduce the government and reduce spending!!

PS: You two need to read more..

Posted by: Citizen of the Great White North at May 8, 2006 09:15 AM



That's right all this government nonsense costs money, my money! If I need roads I will build one,or two, or twenty IF I need them. If I need sewers and clean running water I can build that too. If I need protection I can get a weapon or two. If I need justice I can make my own, its better, and more final, than state nanny justice.
Education? I got mine. Health? I'm healthy. Snow removal? I got a strong back. Anything else I need I can just go get it. See how simple life would be without costly government?

Posted by: steve d. at May 8, 2006 12:22 PM



Steve D,

I think you've been drinking too much of the statist kool-aid.
What do you think communities were doing before this system was introduced?
Communities thrive on mutual understanding not coercion. If my community wants the streets paved, its discussed and after a full consensus, we collect money and do it.
No one in my community can garnish my wages because I don't want to participate in the cookup for the homeless shelter. I have a choice. I'm not forced to give away my money to strangers at the expense of my family.
The state doesn't operate like that. It steals my money, and without my consent, uses it to undertake stupid projects.
When was the last time the government did what we, the people, actually want done?

Posted by: Citizen of the Great White North at May 9, 2006 01:48 PM



citizen of the great white north

consensus is what government is all about. we agree to elect people to make the myriad of decisions that the rest of us are too busy to deal with. Like the long list of things government does. I like most of it. In fact most people like their government services. I don't want to deal with my own garbage disposal, road building, sewage, water purification, etc. I have a life! If you have time to vote on every issue you would have to be on welfare. No one person agrees with every single thing the government does but neither do I want to protest every time they decide to place a speed bump on a road I use. The people living on that road probably were after their local politician for months or years to get it. Everyone doesn't like everything. There are eleven million people living in Southern Ontario and it only works because there is cooperation and give and take.

Posted by: steve d. at May 10, 2006 12:43 AM