Is anyone really surprised by this clown? The liberals have been trying to make gun ownership "socially unacceptable" for years, except for gang-bang assholes who only carry guns because it is societys fault.

Posted by: drvsvs at January 21, 2006 09:13 AM

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sshhhhhhh - we are "hiding" Cheryl Gallant don't you know!

Posted by: pale at January 21, 2006 09:13 AM

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Real Canadians should have rushed the stage and thrown the little brown shirt out of the building for having the unfathomable jack booted hubris to think he has a right to determine who is and isn't "Canadian" or deport people based on their political views. Had I been there the statist bugger would have a physical momento of the occasion when his fascist mouth had some speed bumps installed in it by a real Canadian.

Posted by: at January 21, 2006 11:17 AM

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OK now we're in "BERLIN BUNKER" territory.

This guy has 'fundamentally' LOST IT.

Posted by: Hans Rupprecht at January 21, 2006 12:56 PM

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On Monday, January 23, 2006, all Canadians, who have suffered from demagogy, deception and lies of the Libreals and Paul Martin will hear the loss of the election for them.

Prime Minister Paul O'GULAG McBinStronach and his Liberals will experience what means the expanion of poverty, gangs, deportation of academic immigrants, slavery, patronage sustem for their loyalists and friends, exploitation and the political trickery.

Giusseppe Volpe, Mario Silva, Tony Ianno, Tony Valeri, Ruth Thorkelson, Scott Reid, Tim Murphy, David Petyerson, Peter Nicholoson, John Duffy, David Herle, Terrie O' Leary, Maurice F. Strong and many rich people of Toronto's Bay Street will hear the voice of peopleof Canada, who are punishing them.

Punishment for those Liberals who have expanded GULAG of poverty, unemployment, humiliation, and the gradual deaths.

Mario Silva, who is not an adult person, is a person who ignores the voices of people; he is very very ignorant to the voices and the rights of people.

Giussppe Volpe, who was a teacher and later a principal in a school, is one of the strongest and biggest supoorter of the King of GULAGs, Paul Martin in Canada.

He has no qualification; he is fully emptied from humanity; he is emptied from beihg honest.

Tony Ianno is proud of having a seat near Paul Martin in cabinet; he is a person who is ego centric and unqialified for being even en employee of a bakery in downtown of Toronto!

David Herle, Tim Murphy, Blinda Stronach and others are those, who feel themselves as the servicemen and agents for the wills of the Captain of CSL, who has ruined all hopes of people for the politics of truth.

On Monday, we will will see how people of Canada will throw away all these agaents of the politics of lies and deception into the garbage of history.

Taliban in Afganistan, Idi Amin in Uganda, Pol Pot in Cambodia and Agustino Pinochet in Chile, all were the agents of the politics of lies and GULAGs.

The GULAG makers of Canada are mourning for their loss on Monday.

On Monday, people will see how beautiful it is to throw a way these usless and harmful politicians into the garbage of history.

I as a scientist with a PhD degree in the biomedical sciences from Germany, after more than 2 years and thousands applications for employment to all centres, to MPs, to Ministers and PMO, I have been ignored.

Paul Martin and his Liberals have terrorized me and my professional career, although I have a recognized and accepted PhD in Canada.

Bioterrorism in its governemntal form is not unknow for those people who know the symptoms of this misery.

I am very disappointed.

Yours sincerely,

A. Diba, PhD

Posted by: Abbas Diba at January 21, 2006 01:04 PM

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Taliban of Afganistan escaped to TORABORA's Mountains around the Kandihar; how about Paul Martin and his Liberals? Where are they escaping on Monday, January 23, 2006?
The GULAG Maker Der Great, Captain Paul Martin, whose shares in Cordex Petroleum Inc in Alberta were enriched by the trasfer of the petrodollars of Saddam Hussein, is mourning where he must go for living after receiving order to evacuate the SUSSEX Street in Ottawa!
Mr. Tongsun Park, the former spy of South Korea, who sent the cheque of petrodollars of Saddam Hussein to the Cordex Petroleum Inc in Alberta where Paul Martin has shares, has been arrested in USA.
Prime Minister Paul Martin, the great expander of poverty, slavery and GULAGs, had chosen the big corporations of TORONTO's Bay Street instead of being with people and for people!
Nobody asks why Royal Bank of Canada gave over $ 160,000,000 to Paul Martin for buying of CSL from Paul Desmarais, sr. in Pover Corporation in Montreal?
If normal people, even are not getting $ 1000 from Royal Bank, how Paul Martin recieved over $ 160,000,000?
The man of flags from Liberia and Barbados is not ready to say, why he and his friends have deported scientists into GULAG of unemployment, poverty and the gradual deaths?
I am one of those scientists, who has a PhD degree--- recognized and accepted PhD in Canada---, and has been tortured in Paul Martin and his Liberals's GULAG.
How long terror of scientists?
How long BIOTERRORISM?
Do Martin and his Liberals understand the meaning of humanity?
Are they humans?
At least, the need to behave as humans!
I am very disppointed.
Yours sincerely,
A. Diba, PhD

Posted by: Abbas Diba at January 21, 2006 01:30 PM

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I'm apologize, but I'm not sure I understand what Abbas Diba's post is referring to.
I have seen this post on almost every thread, and over at SDA a few times as well.
Does anyone know what he is talking about?
Call me paranoid, but when I see someone posting and using "terrorism" in any context repeatedly, it makes me rather nervous.

Posted by: at January 21, 2006 03:29 PM

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Do a Google on both the posting name and the email and you get interesting results:

Looking for an appartment in Vancouver and posting from Ontario.

Google Search:
1. and57dna@yahoo.ca
2. Abbas Diba

Hey Abbas, which German university did you get your PhD in?

Posted by: tomax at January 21, 2006 04:12 PM

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Okay, obviously Lindsay didn't want to answer the question. But there are much better ways of dealing with that than ignoring it entirely and insulting the person who asked it. For all Lindsay knew the asker was in favor of the gun ban (tho I seriously doubt it).

Posted by: Jay at January 21, 2006 04:14 PM

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THE BLACK CLOUDS AND LOSS OF ELECTION FOR THE LIBERALS



The big problem on Monday, January 23, 2006 is that Paul Martin's Liberals will fail to understand that the election is a political battle because our people in Canada would convince our chicken politicians, who call themselves as the Liberals to pull out.
Most Arrogant-Yet-Chicken Politicians will understand why people don't like them any more.

When these Liberal's politicians like Paul Martin are rushing around Canada and behaving like the chikcen with their heads cut off; and are accusing other politicians and the foreign countries for the GULAG of Canada, then people are going to punish them on the upcoming elction on Monday.


People are full aware of the expanison of GULAG of poverty, unemployment, addictions, slavery, gangs, crimes and the gradual deaths in many major cities, which are the impacts of years cutting of the budget in the social programs, employment insurance, housing, education and health care issues.


People know very well the roles of Paul Martin and his Liberals as the dearest darlings of TORONTO's Bay Street for the misery of their country.

Paul Martin and his Liberals, instead of respecting of scientists and academic immigrants, they have deported them into thetorture's chambers of GULAG of unemployment, poverty, slavery, ignorings, humiliation, ailments and the gradual deaths.

The scientists in Canada need to study and to know what chickens are these Liberals who are rushing around the country with their heads cut off and are causing harms to the lives of people and are promoting the politics of lies and decption in Canada.

As we know chickens, along with quail, pheasants, and turkeys, belong to the order Galliformes. They are used in biomedical research for studies in neurology, embryology, endocrinology, microbiology, the skeletal system and nutrition; but what chickens are the Liberals, who are not beneficial to people but also they are GULAG- MAKERS of the country for destructive biopolitics.

Those Liberals, who have not learned and don't want to learn the alphabet of the PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY and RESPONSIBILITY in their schools, have been appointed in many strategic positions of the country in the instiutions and departments; they are appointed because they enjoy from the patronage advatages of the prime minister, who appointes thousands his own people and friends in thousands positions.

Paul Martin indirectly says: forget about the Westminister-style democracy and the role of Parliament!

As we know, recently, in the election, Paul Martin said that he has very good DNA for the National Unity in Canada with the characteritstic flags of Liberia and Barbados in his sheeps; hence, the scientists doubt whether or not he has any humans' DNA!

Most chicken genes have equivalents in human beings, so using the chicken to identify what genes are for has a direct impact on our understanding of human biology. The scientists are experimenting Martin's genes for the National Unity of Canada.

Paul Martin's claims for having very high quality of the human's genes or the human's DNA for the National Unity, is a matter of surprising in the world of science and and politics; it is also a matter of doubt for many people who know that he is a big liars.

His friends in the politics of lies and decption are Blinda Stronach Bin Magna, Tony Valeri Bin Real State, Tony Ianno Bin Ignoring, Mario Silva Bin Chicken, Scott Reid Bin Beer & Popcorn, David Herle Bin Earnscliffe & CSL, Ruth Thorkelson Bin Forest & Lies, Tim Murphy Bin Bay Street's Law and some others, whose genes and DNAs are not clear-cut determined if they are real parts of the humans' genoms or the chickens' genoms??

If the Liberals in the Paul Martin's party have the genes, which might be the parts of the genes inn the chikckens, then the political observers after discussions with the molecular biologists must compromise for any appropriate results; some nurologists are guessing that these Liberals may have the chickens' brains, which are inappropriate for working in the government; they are the chickens' brains and the government's responsibilities are huge and like a dinasaur; how can a brain of a chicken function in the body of a dinasaur?

The scientists are hoping that for many gene-function experiments in the genes of the politicians in the Liberal party like Paul martin, who are claiming that they have the best DNA for the Nationa Unity; these Liberals' chicken cell cultures and embryos will eventually prove to be better test subjects for helping to people who would like to participate in the upcoming election on Monday, January 23, 2006 than laboratory mice, who are not the politicians in the Liberal party.


I am a scientist with a PhD degree in the biomedical sciences from the School of Medicine in Germany; my qualifications and PhD have been recognized and accepted in Canada, but these Liberals and Paul Martin are ignoring my voice and my rights to life.

After more than 2 years and thousands applications to all institutions, to MPs, to Ministers, to Public Service Commission, to Human Resources and skills development and to the Prime Minister's Office, they have ignored me; they have ruined my life; they have ruined my professional development despite having an accepted and recognized PhD in Canada.

Bioterrorism of the Liberals means shooting into the brains of scientists and academic immigrants who are victims of the politics of lies and decption.

Definition of bioterrorism is based on harms on the bios of people; Paul martin and his Liberals in Canada are shooting into brains of scientists; the Charter of Rights and Freeoms is a kind of toy for their games in the politics.

Paul Martin and his Liberals are not believing on the Charter of Rights.

If we have two politics: the politics of fear and the politics of trust, then people know Paul Martin and his Liberals have chosen the politics of fear.

The politics of trust means eleimination of GULAGs and trust to people; the Liberals and Paul Martin are not trusting to people of Canada.

The politics of fear is the instrument of Paul Martin and his Liberals.

They have terrorized over 2 years of my life; they ruined my professional career in Canada.

They are committing BIOTERRORISM; I expect the independent judiciary council will judge these crimes.

Every crime must be punished.

On Monday, January 23, 2006, people of Canada will punish the politics of lies and deception of these pseudo-Liberals who have created GULAG against the lives of people.


I thank you for your attention.


Yours sincerely,
A. Diba, PhD

Posted by: Abbas Diba at January 21, 2006 04:14 PM

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Abbas, for a PhD, you're not very bright. What part of "Stop Trolling" didn't you understand?

Posted by: Mac at January 21, 2006 05:10 PM

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Odd that Liberal candidate Lindsay is not familiar with his party's program, which does not include exile for legitimate gun owners:
http://www.liberal.ca/issue_e.aspx?itype=60

"Keeping Communities Safe

...The handgun ban will go hand in hand with an amnesty and buy-back program to collect existing handguns..."

Indicative that the Liberal prefers insult to information.

Mark
Ottawa

Posted by: Mark Collins at January 21, 2006 05:20 PM

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A handgun ban is folly of the first order and typical Liberal "warm & fuzzy" feel good legislation, designed to appeal to folks who don't practice critical thinking.

I'm not advocating American style gun advocacy (a gun in every purse, ammo in every pocket) but I know that criminals aren't registering their guns, whether longguns or handguns, and they're not going to suddenly stop using guns just because Paul Martin enacts yet another flawed piece of legislation.

The Criminal Code has ample legislation and penalties to deal with guns and the use of guns in the commission of a criminal act. Judges tend to get blamed for their lenient sentences but an equal share of blame should be directed to prosecutors who are always willing to play "Let's Make A Deal" with criminals. Defence lawyers always ask to dump the weapons offences and prosecutors eagerly comply so they improve their "win/lose" ratio without breaking a sweat.

Posted by: Mac at January 21, 2006 09:10 PM

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Lets get radical for a bit. I’m saying way out there in left field among the cooks and deranged individuals. Away from government sensibilities decreeing the product needs no scrutiny, it is the victim that needs to be blamed. Taking the product off the shelf, until it could be proven safe for consumption solved tainted tuna. Dealing with the product and missing a huge opportunity in taxing the hospital patients for costs to health care.
The 47,000 preventable deaths of smokers are currently, and we believe wisely, being cured by protecting non-smokers from inhaling 1/100,000 the concentration inhaled by smokers. This would indicate the powers that be find those smokers deaths inevitable and acceptable. Further to use those deaths as an abstract for political expediency is also an acceptable act. Deaths of 1/2 of the current 6 million smokers are actually seen to be inconsequential The fact the figure describes smoker deaths not non-smokers deaths can also easily be dismissed in kind, as long as the product produces profit, taxation levels will be maintained, which serves quite well the majority of community. The arguments of science and common sensibilities would have us actually punishing the manufacturers. Contrary to public belief that has not yet happened. In fact settlements in the states were passed on to consumers, as was all the special billing for universal health care in Canada known as tobacco taxes. Elimination of advertising and sponsoring of public events goes straight to the bottom line. Not much wonder the government was investing pension funds in big tobacco; profits have never been higher and cost of production never lower.
Soon similar taxation of the Pan Canadian strategy will expand the plan into the grocery stores. Hardly an attempt to hold manufacturers responsible if indeed they are causing a health risk. The proposed 75% taxation of hamburger will suit a public need for increased taxation and it can be assumed the damage to the cattle industry will be temporary as were the effects to the hospitality industry through the imposition of smoking bans.
If truth were known the only one, of all the 5000 ingredients in Tobacco smoke all with safe levels measured in milligrams per cubic meter of air is of course dioxin. Dioxin requires 3 ingredients Ammonia, Organic material and a low temperature flame. Recent research in Japan showed no Dioxin in the paper or the Tobacco however Dioxin did exist in the smoke. At the world trade center Dioxin levels monitored at levels below .16 Nana grams per cubic meter of air were considered safe. Co-incidentally the same safe level referred to by Repace as his known safe level in air water and food according to the US government. It could be suspected the no safe level is actually predicated on this level of harm as are predictions of 42% of the public will get cancer at some point. This percentage is the known risk of persons with maximum accumulated state levels of Dioxin stored in their body fat. Even without smoking we will all likely reach the maximum saturation or state level due to other sources. Fat really is the new tobacco.
This would say the medical charities and the health departments have been a little short of entire honesty in what they know is likely the most predominant cancer risk in smoking. This would allow us a new radical thought lets say a government 40 years ago banned the use of chlorine in cigarettes how many of the 47,000 preventable deaths would have actually been prevented. By rough calculation 2/3 the same level smoking has been reduced in that time frame. Coincidence or just fanaticism? A simple examination of dioxin poisoning and medical outcomes in fact will show clearly a parallel to everything they say about smoking and the related diseases. If in fact you take their numbers as gospel you will by examining the side of a cigarette package and a few calculations see; The levels of dioxin in a single package are in excess of 2 milligrams produced per package 1 milligram inhaled by a smoker every day will ultimately lead to the punishment the Ontario health department spoke of in “quit or be punished�. We shut down an incinerator in Toronto with dioxin levels a million times lower. Yet the government in protecting 6 million smokers fails to announce the full harm or do anything to reduce it. One can only conclude the death penalty is alive and well and living in Ontario.
Note; the diesel trucks hauling the Toronto garbage are producing Dioxins thousands of times higher than the original incinerator. Simply increasing the temperature of burning by as little as 300 degrees could, have eliminated the dioxin in the original incinerator. But hey that’s just the radical view. Your doctor does know best.

References
http://www.acosh.org/art/critical_evaluation.pdf
http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/health25a.htm
http://cfpub.epa.gov/ncea/cfm/recordisplay.cfm?deid=54886
http://cfpub.epa.gov/ncea/cfm/recordisplay.cfm?deid=23969
http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/Dioxins-Cigarette-Smoke.htm
http://cfpub.epa.gov/ncea/cfm/recordisplay.cfm?deid=87726
http://www.epa.gov/wtc/dioxin/index.html
http://cfpub.epa.gov/ncea/cfm/part1and2.cfm?ActType=default
http://www.swedish.org/16653.cfm
http://www.advisorybodies.doh.gov.uk/coc/tetrachl.htm
http://jncicancerspectrum.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/jnci;90/19/1440

Calculations

Proportions of what is inhaled actually remaining within the body and increasing health risk can be demonstrated visually in observing a smoker and the majority amount of smoke exhaled during the use of the product. This would indicate a much-elevated risk exists far beyond the mere existence of the PPAH content measured in air testing. The proportions of PPAH assumed to be equal or more dangerous than dioxins risk can be calculated by ratio et al Repace submissions [Brook v. Burswood Casino (1999); Badillo v. American Tobacco et al. (1998); Avallone v. American Tobacco et al. (1998); Mullen et al. v. Treasure Chest (1999); Dunn v. Napoleon’s Casino (2003)]

The existence of 163 Nanograms per cubic meter of air would exceed the known safe level in air water and food by 10,000 times this would establish the known safe level at or below 16.3 Pico grams per cubic meter of air. 1/10 the safe level of Dioxins established as safe et al The WTC monitoring. 160NG/M3 air quality was allowed flexibility in acceptable air standards as exposures would be as stated be one year in duration. Dioxin risk drops with cessation of exposure. We can therefore equate the risk of PPAH to the risk of Dioxins as shown to be Repaces intent. The Parroting of his assessments at the WHO and many Health departments around the planet confirms the consensus view is in total agreement with his submissions. No safe level exists and Designated smoking rooms can afford no protection. The existence of 4 NG/M3 of air as found in non-smoking environments should indicate a need to evacuate those buildings until a safe level can be established.

An average of RSP 205 MG/M3 contains PPAH 163 NG/M3 By calculation .08%
A single package of 25 cigarettes producing 100 Mg RSP can produce 2500 MG total RSPs This would indicate by .08% calculation each package produces 2500 x .0008 = 2 milligrams PPAH with a risk to human health greater or equal to Dioxin with a known safe level not exceeding .16 NG/M3 determined from monitoring of the World Trade Center monitoring program in New York.

The level of acceptable risk inhaling smoke produced by a single package of cigarettes; in PPAH exposure is shown to be exceeded by 123 million times 2x 10-3 vs. .0163 x 10-12

Conclusions
Assuming a smoker inhales 1/3 to 1/2 of total produced this would establish an extreme health risk exists in the use of this product which should prove fatal for all users. Regardless of the fact this has not been seen to be the case the established risk of second hand smoke, as the basis for smoking bans should remain consistent where a much larger harm is seen to exist Cigarettes should be immediately banned from use in the interest of public safety. Monetary concerns have to remain secondary when public safety and the imminent deaths of millions of Canadian citizens hang in the balance. To err on the side of safety should be a given in a caring and just society. As we already know from multiple research findings it is indisputable no safe level exists. If in fact Dioxin is the predominant risk, as research would indicate. The banning of chlorine in cigarettes is a minimal action which could reduce the risk and eliminate virtually all risk in second hand smoke {ETS} this of course would lower greatly the perceived necessity to impose smoking bans or smoking restrictions when scientific product safety evaluations could allay all fears in the public. This of course would necessitate a re-evaluation of healthcare costs and smoker’s liability for those costs. Government which through failure to remain consistent with environmental process and other lapses in good judgment, would have to shoulder a great deal of the blame and misdirected expense liability. Tobacco taxes collected should therefore be returned to those who paid them unnecessarily in contravention of the Canada health act special fees for health care. Tobacco companies although largely responsible for distributing an unsafe product, did act within a tightly monitored regulatory environment and were not directed to change operational standards.
Perhaps in an effort to maintain credibility and expenditures of public money in exchange for best value. A more balanced approach in assessing the validity of industry lobbies and media spin should be considered prior to future international embarrassments and poor managerial decisions.

FXR

Posted by: at January 22, 2006 08:37 AM

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I was in the crowd at POSC and watched Lindsay lose his cool. He didn't stay after the session was over.
While researching the firearms ban I found a UN report from Oct 2004 that stated the "UN Protocol on Transnational Crime" has accepted the in force the banning of all firearms/Firearms are defined as "a weapon that can be held by one person and fire a shot". The Canadian delegation at the UN has supported and pushed forward this protocol since 1996. The Chretien government and the Martin govt., cosyed up with Bill Clinton when he was President of the USA because Clinton stated he would sign into law a Bill banning all firearms in the US over any objections from the NRA. The UN, being ever so slow at getting anything done finally accepted this protocol at the Vienna session in 2004. However, in 2001 George Bush was elected as Pres. in the USA and he told the UN to stuff it. So no banning of firearms in the USA. Since then Liberal party members of our government have been bad mouthing G.W. Bush to the detriment of our good relationship with that country. So how is that for a 'hidden agenda'? This can be verified by searching for "UN protocol for Transnational Convention" and follow the links. It is very good reading. While reading this I wondered how Clinton was going to enforce such a ban in the US. They did have a Civil War in their history.

Posted by: Bill Croshaw at January 22, 2006 11:48 AM

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This guy sounds like Canada's answer to Howard Dean.

Posted by: Shoprat at January 22, 2006 09:34 PM

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