Cindy Sheehan: My husband left me because of George W Bush
From CNN:
She and her husband are separated, affected by the stress of losing their son. But her three other children, ages 19 to 24, may join her in Crawford, she said.
It's not a direct quote, but the structure of the sentence seems is such that it is paraphrasing what Cindy Sheehan said to the AP reporter in Crawford, Texas.
Interesting -- she says that Patrick Sheehan left because of the stress of losing their son. Since that is George W Bush's fault, personally, that means the problems in her marriage are also the fault of the President.
But Casey died over a year ago.
Could the problem be that Patrick has moved on, and Cindy has not? He had spoken on the toll this was having:
He spoke about the toll this work is taking in the family. “If she is not away traveling or speaking, she is home with her laptop, watching news, or talking on the phone…This is important, we try to continue to support her.”
I wonder what Patrick Sheehan would say, in light of the Cherie Quartarolo letter. Would he say that the problem is Cindy's crusade and her new friends from the radical left? Was he no longer able or willing to pay the toll she was demanding of him?
If so, would Cindy Sheehan ever be able to admit that the fault over her marital problems is hers?
I've avoided voicing an opinion about what Casey would think about his mother's behaviour. But any son or daughter would say that the breakup of their parent's marriage is a terrible thing, and would beg them to stop doing whatever they were doing that was driving them apart.
Of that I can be certain.
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Angry, I was with you until this last post - but now I think you have gone too far. Sadly, it is not uncommon for marriages to break up following the death of a son or daughter. Your speculation that Ms. Sheehan is at fault for the breakup of her marriage crosses the line. I don't agree with what she is doing, but this:
"I've avoided voicing an opinion about what Casey would think about his mother's behaviour. But any son or daughter would say that the breakup of their parent's marriage is a terrible thing, and would beg them to stop doing whatever they were doing that was driving them apart."
Is just nasty and mean spirited. Honestly, I think you should let this one go...
Posted by: Jay Dubya at August 12, 2005 10:17 AM
You might be right Jay, but part of this story is the sacrifice she is demanding of the people around her, and how that is costing them and her. Moreover, AP crossed the line when they gave a reason for the separation without consulting Patrick. They should have simply said they separated.
As for a death causing this, of course it happens. But then there are organizations like the Gold Star Mothers of America dedicated to helping families out, and who have over seven decades of experience in helping in these situations.
Posted by: Angry in T.O. at August 12, 2005 10:28 AM
No, he's right. There is no "up-side" when a marriage crumbles under stress and pressure, and no child would ever say so. Cindy Sheehan has other children - whether they support her crusade or not, they will never say that it was worth losing their dad over. We can dance around this politely forever, but to lose a marriage after losing a son is a stinking disaster and everyone knows it.
Posted by: Wanda at August 12, 2005 10:31 AM
I have to say this sentence, starting out the CNN story, is a bit rich:
"Casey joined the Army in 2000, never imagining he would see combat."
I assume this is taken from Ms. Sheehan. Surely nobody could be naive enough to join the army 'never imagining' they might be put in harm's way...
Posted by: Jay Dubya at August 12, 2005 11:03 AM
If somebody did actually join not expecting to see combat I think that would be a good reason to reject them - as unbalanced (to put it nucely).
Posted by: Jay at August 12, 2005 12:12 PM
Ugh. "nicely".
Posted by: Jay at August 12, 2005 12:12 PM
Not only that, he apparently REENLISTED in 2003. So obviously he, at least, believed in the war. Why is that pertinent fact missing from CNN's coverage?
Posted by: Jay Dubya at August 12, 2005 12:25 PM
I think it's quite significant that Patrick Sheehan, despite the separation, acknowledges that Cindy's mission is "important" and states "we try to continue to support her." Clearly he could say many more damaging things without fear of reprisal if he wished to do so.
There is no doubt that waging any philosophical war takes a huge toll on the individual committed to stay the course come what may. There really should be no surprise evidenced about this, it's entirely predictable. Only those truly dedicated to their cause, however, can keep going in the face of stormy personal disaster - indeed only they have the fortitude to endure it and forge on. Family squabbles, divorces, disagreements, loyalties and disloyalties are nothing unusual in the best of circumstances. To try and point a finger at Cindy's troubles and declare that even some estranged faction of her in-laws thinks she dead wrong is more than just a little disingenuous. How many of you would come up with a 100% approval rating from all family members, including every last one of the inlaws? In a family split by political differences in this day and age, such an incident serves to prove nothing at all except that in Cindy's extended family, as in most of our families, people don't always agree with one another about important matters.
Blaming Cindy alone for every trouble and disagreement in her family isn't even a offering worthy of much serious thought. And for those slyly wondering where her children are - as if she does not have the right to want to protect her remaining offspring from the feral mud-slingers out to get them - here is a poem I found that was written by Cindy's daughter:
_________________________
"Have you ever heard the sound of a mother screaming for her son?
The torrential rains of a mother's weeping will never be done
They call him a hero, you should be glad that he's one, but
Have you ever heard the sound of a mother screaming for her son?
--From a poem by Carly Sheehan, Casey's sister"
______________________
The slings and arrows of the Ugly Right don't have a chance against Cindy Sheehan - she has crossed that line that all true believers cross, she is driven by a conviction no slander can touch, and she's going to keep going. That's why they're so desperate to bring her down. There's no doubt about how much that kind of focus and determination can accomplish. It's not a new story, it's been played out thousands of times throughout history. Hopefully it will happen many more times. We owe a huge debt to those will give up everything, even their own families, for what they know in their souls to be right. Cindy's in good company on that count.
Posted by: TulanZuya at August 13, 2005 05:58 PM
I'd say it isn't really "speculation that crosses the line": The Sheehan side of the family has unilaterally condemned her actions as selfish and politically motivated, and that Indybay article last saw her husband, who really tried to be supportive, watching as she screamed "All wars will end when women are in power!"
He later lamented to the Indybay reporter that he wasn't sure if all this was really helping the grieving process. I think it's pretty clear that he eventually realized her grieving process was already over, that this was now her life, and that he needed to make like the shepherd and get the flock out of there.
Furthermore, in this article, Sheehan herself makes it clear that her husband left her because he "doesn't support her activities".
Posted by: Aaron at August 14, 2005 12:24 PM
I just read Cindy's comments about how she didn't know what Viet Nam was when she was a child.
Cindy is a liar. I'm three years younger than she is and I knew what Viet Nam was. I remember that we prayed every day that the soliders would come home safely, in school and in church.
I may not have understood the politics but I knew what Viet Nam was.
My father is a Veterian of that war. Perhaps because of that I despise people that go against our Nation and our President. Too many people lost their lives due to the likes of Jane Fonda and John Kerry.
The way I understand it on the ground we won the war, however because of treasonus people in our own nation and the propaganda from Viet Nam the soldiers lost heart because of the protesters here at home.
Cindy claims to want to save lives, she should just go home and grieve in private.
I'm sorry for her loss, but she has to stop putting other people in danger because of her selfish reasons.
Kathy
Posted by: Kathy at August 14, 2005 01:33 PM
Kathy, you said it all.
God Bless Cindy's son, but Cindy, why are you intent on seeing more of our brave military personel killed so you can get your name in history. There is a place for you, and it is not setting along a highway showing how unpatriotic
you are? You are embolding the terrorist and demoralizing our men and women that are putting their lives on the line for your freedom. Leon
Posted by: Leon Taylor at August 14, 2005 04:09 PM
I spent the morning scanned and reviewed information on the subject that brought before our eyes. I'm pleased to know that many of you are actively involved in the discussion of whether the War was valid, necessary, or not. Such a discussion is the fruit of modern-day Democracy.
As a political and social philosophy student with an ambition to create a better "tomorrow". There are a few things I would like to share with you. I welcome each of your comments on the subject.
While I was in school, my philosophy professor told me a quote: Democracy is at loss when a few good citizens are doing nothing.
It stucks me like a brimestone and fire. Ask yourself honestly, have you been actively involved or kept up with Washington? Have you ever met your state legislators/delgates/representative/senators? These people are your leaders, and also your servants. Without you, Democracy cannot strive. Sadly, democracy is now in its dormant stage in this country.
I mention this for a reason, because ever since the World War II... we have taken our country for granted. Many of us probably forgot the pillars of this country:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Those are the words from the Delcaration of Independence, in which lays the foundation of this very country we live: a democratic indiviudalism country that embrace all kinds.
I'm asking you to join me to make a better tomorrow. I m asking you to reconsider what you are thinking. This is not about Cindy Sheehan or the War. This is about our country. Weapon of Mass Destruction exists, and it exists among us. The War could've been avoided if we all decided to keep our Senators, Represenatives, Delgates, and Presidents in reality check.
A political philosopher, Niccolo Machiavelli, said we must have the mind of a fox with the ability to be elusive while forsee the possible consequence. At the same time, be a lion to roar your way out once you got caught in a trap.
I love each one of you, and I thank you for your thoughts. I hope after this, you might want to join me to prevent such from happening in the future. In unity, we strengthen... in divison we weaken. Join me to keep our politicans in reality check. Join me to tackle their double talkings. Join me to make America a better place that our founding father envision. Join me to thank every military brother, sister, husband, wife, daughter, son for being the blanket of the security we truly enjoy. Join me to remember the establishment of this country, and educate our fellow Americans.
I leave you with a quote: Democracy is at loss when a few good citizens do nothing.
thank you
Posted by: at August 16, 2005 11:10 AM
I spent the morning scanned and reviewed information on the subject that brought before our eyes. I'm pleased to know that many of you are actively involved in the discussion of whether the War was valid, necessary, or not. Such a discussion is the fruit of modern-day Democracy.
As a political and social philosophy student with an ambition to create a better "tomorrow". There are a few things I would like to share with you. I welcome each of your comments on the subject.
While I was in school, my philosophy professor told me a quote: Democracy is at loss when a few good citizens are doing nothing.
It stucks me like a brimestone and fire. Ask yourself honestly, have you been actively involved or kept up with Washington? Have you ever met your state legislators/delgates/representative/senators? These people are your leaders, and also your servants. Without you, Democracy cannot strive. Sadly, democracy is now in its dormant stage in this country.
I mention this for a reason, because ever since the World War II... we have taken our country for granted. Many of us probably forgot the pillars of this country:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Those are the words from the Delcaration of Independence, in which lays the foundation of this very country we live: a democratic indiviudalism country that embrace all kinds.
I'm asking you to join me to make a better tomorrow. I m asking you to reconsider what you are thinking. This is not about Cindy Sheehan or the War. This is about our country. Weapon of Mass Destruction exists, and it exists among us. The War could've been avoided if we all decided to keep our Senators, Represenatives, Delgates, and Presidents in reality check.
A political philosopher, Niccolo Machiavelli, said we must have the mind of a fox with the ability to be elusive while forsee the possible consequence. At the same time, be a lion to roar your way out once you got caught in a trap.
I love each one of you, and I thank you for your thoughts. I hope after this, you might want to join me to prevent such from happening in the future. In unity, we strengthen... in divison we weaken. Join me to keep our politicans in reality check. Join me to tackle their double talkings. Join me to make America a better place that our founding father envision. Join me to thank every military brother, sister, husband, wife, daughter, son for being the blanket of the security we truly enjoy. Join me to remember the establishment of this country, and educate our fellow Americans.
I leave you with a quote: Democracy is at loss when a few good citizens do nothing.
thank you
Posted by: jb at August 16, 2005 11:10 AM
I think he left her because he was getting sick of looking at those saggy tits.
Posted by: Cambodia Tits at August 16, 2005 03:36 PM
Someone call the guys in the white coats to come get this bitch. Please!
Posted by: Call the Funny Farm at August 16, 2005 03:42 PM
As a Republican Im ashamed of our president He has lied to us from the start of this war and continues to do so. I would support an Impeachment of Mr Bush he is reckless and decieving.
Posted by: Conservative I am at August 17, 2005 02:22 AM
I am always skeptical of anyone who feels compelled to provide his "conservative" bonafides as suggestion that he has a balanced view of the President. CIa, I doubt you are any of the things you claim to be, which makes you what, someone who lied to us from the start of your post. That conduct would be "reckless and decieving".
Posted by: Richard at August 17, 2005 12:39 PM
Angry in T. O., I think Mrs. Shehan is a disturbed woman, but from the info in the CNN article it isn't clear to me that her husband and she split over her views. If she were my wife her behavior would not be cause for divorce, but reason to have her committed. I am sorry that she lost a son, a loss I can not imagine enduring, but her reaction (as it has changed and her reasoning seems to deteriorate) leads me to conclude she needs professional help with her emotions. No person in a reasonable state would now state that the President had been cavalier during their meeting when she had publicly stated after their meeting that he had been precisely the opposite. She is not a well person, and the tin foil hat Michael Moore is providing isn't shielding her from her internal angst.
She is blaming the wrong people for her son's death. And, she is communing with the wrong people for support.
God bless her, I hope she gets well soon.
Posted by: at August 17, 2005 12:51 PM
ENOUGH! The only thing Cindy Sheehan grieves is her inability to get her son to buy into her liberal blame America first bullshit piffle Grow up ,go home make something of your life. Your fallen son Casey, an American hero gave you an example to follow. GOD BLESS AMERICA.
Posted by: Wayne P. at August 22, 2005 11:57 AM
Speculation at it's worst. I used to read this- but your commentary has become trash.
We should all agree that no matter how much someone disagrees with one about politics, one should never hold a grudge against them for it.
Posted by: romablog at August 28, 2005 12:43 PM
 
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